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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide

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PlonitbatPlonit · 29/06/2018 20:43

Tickets now available to hear Kathleen Stock, Helen Saxby, Gill Smith and Ruth Serwotka in Brighton on 16 July

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-turning-the-tide-tickets-47592125328

Helen Saxby's blog notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/

Article by Gill Smith www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

Kathleen Stock's blog medium.com/@kathleenstock

Article by Ruth Serwotka morningstaronline.co.uk/article/why-do-we-need-new-womens-movement

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TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 19/07/2018 18:16

Either she is unable to extend this privilege to anyone else, or she is messing us about for her own entertainment.

Daim cannot even admit that yes, it IS the TRA side that do this and not GC women.

pombear · 19/07/2018 18:21

Daim just...don't.

Despite everything that's happened here over the last day or so.

Despite the empathy, kindness, and normal behaviour of feminists (ie. not doxxing you, not even a' thing' here, trying to understand your point of view, not rising to the bait of your attacks on women who attended the event as witches, old, unattractive, etc)

You post an unverifiable screenshot to try to back up your weak proof that these people gathering at WPUK are hateful.

You're following the DARVO model. Lots of people have pointed out that there is little evidence that feminists are aggressive, violent, or hateful to trans activists. So, hello, suddenly, there's a social media post that proves they are.

I thought this might happen.

For years, there's been little evidence of hatefulness going back the other way from feminists to trans activists. Many of us have pointed out there's no 'die in a fire' 'punch a...' from feminists.

Now that's being pointed out, suddenly there's 'evidence'. Whoever I am, I could create an account right now and say hateful things against the protestors (I wouldn't) and claim to support WPUK. And you could then screenshot my comments. And use them as proof.

If anyone had been spitting at anyone, that would have been centred and shouted about from the get go.

No doubt your post will be screenshotted and used as 'evidence' by trans activists as 'this happened'.

I wish I could understand what's happened in your world that you are so focused on dismissing women's rights, and even the right for women to talk. Whether it's due to my female socialisation, or whether I'm just empathetic by nature, I don't rise to anger, like many trans right activists seem to do against us. I just wonder.

Mogleflop · 19/07/2018 18:22

Sorry daimbars, are you honestly saying that Twitter transactivist accounts are all faked by feminists?

Interesting. Which ones in particular are telling lies to the world do you think? Which lies do you dislike the most?

(And yes I now am convinced that was your profile. How sweet.)

daimbars · 19/07/2018 18:23

Hold my hands up I'm totally naive, I thought It was basically impossible to create a fake Facebook profile.

Took that comment to be genuine but if it's a fake then that is pretty twisted.

Anyway, got to do bath and bed with the DD. Have a good evening all.

Mogleflop · 19/07/2018 18:24

Gah! Someone said sweet as I was typing. I honestly meant "mean". No veiled sarcasm from me right now.

daimbars · 19/07/2018 18:25

Mogleflop you're saying it's me?!!!

Why don't you report it to Facebook if you don't think it's real?

daimbars · 19/07/2018 18:26

pombear look on the Facebook page it's not a screen shot.

pombear · 19/07/2018 18:28

You didnt think it's possible to set up a 'fake facebook profile'! Did you think facebook comes round to your house and has a chat to check you are who you say you are?!

In the past I've been on facebook as several different 'not me' profiles, not for 'twisted' reasons, but for SAFETY reasons (you know, real life stuff, not trans-related).

If you are who you are according to Twitter, your knowledge of social media is surely better than that? Accounts are set up for all sorts of different reasons (hello Russian/Trump era).

Today's word of the day for this thread is 'disingenous'.

SophoclesTheFox · 19/07/2018 18:28

I don't believe for one second that any feminist attending that event spat on a protester. But I'm bored of wasting my a-game on Daim, so rather than explain why, I'll just go for a Daim like response of- This Never Happens.

pombear · 19/07/2018 18:30

Oh FFS - 'disingenuous' !

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 19/07/2018 18:31

I think I will add Daim now permanently to the list of 'go well'.

As if an old, crumpled, faded, tired, feminist stood behind those protesters and spat at them and nobody fucking noticed.

So, back to reality - anyone want to buy my magic beans?

R0wantrees · 19/07/2018 18:31

As this thread is about the WPUK meeting in Brighton 'Turning the Tide'

I'm going to repost their statement as it may have got lost a few pages back.

"On Monday 16th July, Woman’s Place UK held a meeting in Brighton. The meeting was organised in response to a request by local women, as has been the case with all our meetings.

There was a lot of interest in this meeting with 190 tickets booked. The meeting was clearly welcomed by a significant number of local residents. It is also worth noting that Brighton Pavilion has the highest number of signatures to the parliamentary petition ‘To consult with women on proposals to enshrine ‘gender identity’ in law’.

When the booking was made with Friends Meeting House Brighton, local organisers discussed in detail the nature of the meeting and that previous meetings had been protested. Despite this, the venue was happy to go ahead and accommodate our meeting.

We usually organise our meetings for mid or late week as these days are generally better for those who wish to attend. It was the suggestion of the FMH Brighton that we schedule the meeting for a Monday evening as the venue is usually closed and no other users would be inconvenienced or harassed by any protests as had happened in Oxford.

A July date was chosen to fit in with the schedule of other meetings being arranged and with the availability of local organisers before the summer break. Woman’s Place UK only learnt about Trans-Pride events the week before the meeting and the scheduling was entirely coincidental.

After lobbying by individuals (see previous statement), FMH Brighton cancelled our booking with only 5 days’ notice giving us no opportunity to address concerns that had been raised or to meet with them. We are still unclear how someone outside WPUK knew of our booking and we are investigating this.

We had sold over 150 tickets by that point and needed to find an alternative venue, which we did.

Local organisers made, and paid for, a booking at two other venues. Both were fully briefed about the nature of the meeting. One of the organisers went in to Jury’s Inn and met with staff. She explained what the meeting was about, took some written information and materials from the campaign. She explained that previous meetings had been protested and that a security team had been employed. We made every effort to ensure that the staff at Jury’s Inn were fully aware of the meeting content and possible protest. They were happy to go ahead.

Because of the high level of threat, we announced the venue much later than usual with ticket holders receiving details of the venue from 5.30pm onwards. We did this to try and reduce the amount of harassment for the venue and for our attendees. An agreement not to publicise or share the venue is part of the terms and conditions of ticket purchase.

Despite this, in breach of the conditions of purchase and with little regard for the safety of or rights of attendees or workers, some ticket holders leaked the venue on social media.

On the evening of the meeting, large noisy protests were set up at both entrances to the hotel. Police were in attendance. After the meeting had started, the hotel management approached us and said they wanted to cancel the meeting. They also said the hotel was being inundated with abusive phone calls which were upsetting the staff.

We were very concerned for the safety of our attendees if they had to leave and we felt aggrieved that a booking made in honesty and good faith was now under threat because of a protest. We persuaded them that the best option was to let the meeting continue. We agreed to finish early and discussed how to enable attendees at the meeting to exit the building safely through a range of different exits.

During this conversation, a representative of the protest came up to the manager and said they would finish their protest at 9.30pm.

The meeting went ahead and was concluded early at 9.15 as promised to the hotel management. Many women were afraid to leave through the main exits and we had to escort several of them out through the car park and side exits. Some women went to the bar hoping the protest would disperse and they could leave later without fear.

Despite the meeting ending at 9.15pm, the protests continued until at least 10.30pm causing great, and unnecessary, convenience to hotel guests. Several came down to complain about the noise.

We truly regret the inconvenience caused to those guests but we were not responsible for it. We are sickened by the abuse and harassment the hotel staff faced for honouring a booking made by a group of women for a legitimate meeting on rights they hold in law.

We would like to thank all the brave people who attended the meeting on Monday, all our speakers and the local organisers who persisted in asserting their right to meet and discuss issues of concern to them in the face of abuse, harassment, intimidation and threat.

The recently announced consultation on reform of Gender Recognition Act has stated the need to engage with all perspectives and yet, once again, we have seen how women face intimidation when meeting to discuss this issue. Councils, universities and other civic institutions have a duty to uphold democracy and provide venues where women’s voices can be heard. We call on them now to do so and facilitate this debate."
womansplaceuk.org/turning-the-tide-brighton-16th-july-2018/

VaggieMight · 19/07/2018 18:32

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TimeLady · 19/07/2018 18:43

Do women spit in public? Strikes me as a very male sort of insult.

ToeToToe · 19/07/2018 18:56

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ToeToToe · 19/07/2018 18:57

I don't think you're fooling anyone here anymore.

PlonitbatPlonit · 19/07/2018 19:03

A woman who was nowhere near Brighton on Monday night has had her image stolen from the internet to set up a fake Facebook account in a different (fake) name, and then been implicated (because using her image) in untrue claims of spitting. This is despicable.

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Sarahconnor1 · 19/07/2018 19:14

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UglyCathKidstonBag · 19/07/2018 19:15

Wow, so has she been put in danger by Daim posting those images on here?

Sillyolme · 19/07/2018 19:51

Rowan...

Considering the issue of placement of pre-op transwomen in women's prisons, this information may also be of interest. IT is a Canadian case that went into the issues of safety and appropriateness, etc. Most interestingly, it fully acknowledged the two different types of transwomen (AGP vs. HSTS) and suggests that they might have different risk profiles and thus differential placement policies. it's still a mess though...

www.canlii.org/en/ca/chrt/doc/2001/2001canlii8496/2001canlii8496.html

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 19/07/2018 19:56

Wow, so has she been put in danger by Daim posting those images on here?

Daim not put in danger even though Diam outed self and pretty much anyone who reads MN could have done.

Woman nowhere near Brighton gets account stolen, and put in danger by TRA and reposted on here by Daim - with ZERO FUCKS GIVEN.

DIAM still unable to see the fucking wood for the fucking trees.

Pratchet · 19/07/2018 19:57

Only just seen this. Daim please hang your head in shame. No feminist spat at trans protestors. The lies just don't stop do they.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 19/07/2018 20:05

Can we just ignore the derailing please

Its just lie after lie, derail after derail

Its boring the shit out of me

And i know its not about me its about the lurkers and all that but honestly it takes up reams of threads and my poor ignore poster button has steam coming out of it

Sarahconnor1 · 19/07/2018 20:06

Tells is the Facebook screenshot Daims shared on here the one which includes the stolen image of a completely innocent women.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 19/07/2018 20:07

Tells is the Facebook screenshot Daims shared on here the one which includes the stolen image of a completely innocent women.

Read the OP's post at 19:03.