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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide

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PlonitbatPlonit · 29/06/2018 20:43

Tickets now available to hear Kathleen Stock, Helen Saxby, Gill Smith and Ruth Serwotka in Brighton on 16 July

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-turning-the-tide-tickets-47592125328

Helen Saxby's blog notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/

Article by Gill Smith www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

Kathleen Stock's blog medium.com/@kathleenstock

Article by Ruth Serwotka morningstaronline.co.uk/article/why-do-we-need-new-womens-movement

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Melanippe · 18/07/2018 16:28

Can I also just say thanks to those posters who identified me on Twitter but didn't share my ID on here.

No one on here would dox you. We leave that to your side who seem to revel in it.

Bye.

iamawoman · 18/07/2018 16:41

I will echo what pennyred said about you wouldnt be tagged difficult - certainly not for declining an appointment. If this has ever been known to happen to anyones records then you need to contact PALS to investigate and have it removed

VaggieMight · 18/07/2018 16:43

This reply has been withdrawn

This has been withdrawn by MNHQ at poster's request.

Poppyred85 · 18/07/2018 16:43

Agreed iam
You can also complain directly to your practice (usually the practice manager) and can ask to see your notes by making an access request in writing, again to the practice manager.

R0wantrees · 18/07/2018 17:16

Of course no one here would do this. But can you imagine what would happen if the identity of a GC MNetter was known

SwearyG

WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide
Prawnofthepatriarchy · 18/07/2018 17:35

No one here is going to doxx you, Daimbars. Or try to cause trouble at work. But you know that, don't you?

It's the TRAs who go in for that, that and the rape threats, decking a 60 y.o woman and trapping other women in a narrow staircase, while the TRAs chant about burning the building down.

Yes, you know the tactics of your allies and you know how gender critical feminists operate. Does it never dawn on you that's it's you who are on the "wrong side of history"?

You say: Had some distressing news in RL yesterday...

Sorry to hear this. Go well.

Melamin · 18/07/2018 17:41

You say: Had some distressing news in RL yesterday...

Sorry to hear this. Go well.

I do worry that you put so much time and effort into this, and seem to be on a single-handed mission to change minds. As you say, you have a young family and partner to look after. Please put them first. They are important.

Go well.

Pratchet · 18/07/2018 17:45

What about the TRA who put feminists' kids images up on a twitter thread. Horrific.

ChattyLion · 18/07/2018 17:55

The Brighton meeting sounds excellent Flowers

SophoclesTheFox · 18/07/2018 18:41

I'm another who found you on twitter, Daim, and the link to your blog. I don't use twitter and I'm no sleuth - it's all right there. In thirty second browsing I found it all.

I managed not to threaten you, dox you or go to your employers to have you sacked because I find your views offensive, and believe you have slandered someone, because that is the basic fucking benchmark of human decency online. It is a low, low bar.

Do you know how often your allies fail to clear that bar? Look at what they did to "get the L out". Look at what they did to Man Friday. Look at what they did to Posie Parker, Venice Allan, Miranda Yardley.

Look at what they do.

And look at what we do.

Do you see the difference?

Sorry about your news. I have also had bad news this week.

Pratchet · 18/07/2018 18:44

I managed not to threaten you, dox you or go to your employers to have you sacked because I find your views offensive, and believe you have slandered someone, because that is the basic fucking benchmark of human decency online. It is a low, low bar

You need to have this imprinted on your memory, Daim

Waddlelikeapenguin · 18/07/2018 18:46

SophoclesTheFox Flowers

NoDykeDoesDick · 18/07/2018 18:47

TRAs are more likely to doxx you and blame it on us, than any woman doing it.

SophoclesTheFox · 18/07/2018 19:06

thank you waddles Smile. I'm good really - the news was expected.

ToeToToe · 18/07/2018 19:31

Daimbar's twitter feed was full of misogyny and the worst TRA crap yesterday - calling women witches, arguing that of course transwomen can have periods, calling a lesbian a man...it was quite eye-opening how much she must have to rein her language in to post on MN without breaching guidelines.

But still I managed to neither interact with her on Twitter, or doxx her. That really is the difference between MNetters and the TAs. But she'll never see it, she's a true believer.

Sarahconnor1 · 18/07/2018 19:48

Maybe in Daims circle (particularly on line) doxxing is the go to act when you disagree with someone, it's certainly a TRA favourite. Maybe just maybe It was an eye opening experience to realise not everyone behaves like that.

Daim I wish you well.

AngryAttackKittens · 18/07/2018 19:50

No worries, Daim, nobody here is going to doxx you no matter how much they disagree with you - we don't do that. Go take care of your family stuff, the discussion will no doubt still be ongoing when you're ready to come back.

pombear · 18/07/2018 22:03

Daim I hope you'll take, as you go, the kindness, the lack of doxxing, the highlighting that that behaviour isn't something that Mumsnet posters do.

Despite how vicious you've been in the last day against women who were just attending a meeting to talk about women's rights. The ageism, 'attractive-ism', the assumptions of others' genders,the misrepresentation of people's points of view..

Despite this, people here are not the same (on the whole) as those who you seem so keen to associate yourself with.

I'm sorry to hear you're dealing with difficult rl stuff. We are all humans, and empathy is a human attribute of many people,that many of can extend to those who don't share the same belief-system as ourselves.

thebewilderness · 18/07/2018 22:15

Who gives a flying fuck? People do all sorts of weird things in the privacy of their own homes.

The women they do it to. The ones you want burned as witches.

WanderingWavelet · 19/07/2018 05:22

I managed not to threaten you, dox you or go to your employers to have you sacked because I find your views offensive, and believe you have slandered someone, because that is the basic fucking benchmark of human decency online. It is a low, low bar

And a bar that TRAs managed to leap over in my case. Complaint to employer, tried to get me sacked, tried to shut me up. For being a gender critical feminist online.

Pratchet · 19/07/2018 06:44

Wandering 🌺🌺🌺are you ok

SophoclesTheFox · 19/07/2018 07:56

That’s awful, wandering, I’m very sorry to hear that. I hope the attempt to shame you and browbeat you was not successful Flowers

ArcheryAnnie · 19/07/2018 07:57

Can I also just say thanks to those posters who identified me on Twitter but didn't share my ID on here.
With all the hostility towards me on this thread I was very uncomfortable with my family being identified too so thank you.

We don't do that sort of thing, daim, and I would not support anyone who did. But that's what your side does. Since you clearly recognise that doxxing is wrong, and puts women and their kids in danger, I presume you will now object every time you see a TRA do this to a woman?

R0wantrees · 19/07/2018 08:32

WPUK statement about the 'Turning the Tide' meeting:

(extract)
"One of the organisers went in to Jury’s Inn and met with staff. She explained what the meeting was about, took some written information and materials from the campaign. She explained that previous meetings had been protested and that a security team had been employed. We made every effort to ensure that the staff at Jury’s Inn were fully aware of the meeting content and possible protest. They were happy to go ahead.

Because of the high level of threat, we announced the venue much later than usual with ticket holders receiving details of the venue from 5.30pm onwards. We did this to try and reduce the amount of harassment for the venue and for our attendees. An agreement not to publicise or share the venue is part of the terms and conditions of ticket purchase.

Despite this, in breach of the conditions of purchase and with little regard for the safety of or rights of attendees or workers, some ticket holders leaked the venue on social media.

On the evening of the meeting, large noisy protests were set up at both entrances to the hotel. Police were in attendance. After the meeting had started, the hotel management approached us and said they wanted to cancel the meeting. They also said the hotel was being inundated with abusive phone calls which were upsetting the staff.

We were very concerned for the safety of our attendees if they had to leave and we felt aggrieved that a booking made in honesty and good faith was now under threat because of a protest. We persuaded them that the best option was to let the meeting continue. We agreed to finish early and discussed how to enable attendees at the meeting to exit the building safely through a range of different exits.

During this conversation, a representative of the protest came up to the manager and said they would finish their protest at 9.30pm.

The meeting went ahead and was concluded early at 9.15 as promised to the hotel management. Many women were afraid to leave through the main exits and we had to escort several of them out through the car park and side exits. Some women went to the bar hoping the protest would disperse and they could leave later without fear.

Despite the meeting ending at 9.15pm, the protests continued until at least 10.30pm causing great, and unnecessary, convenience to hotel guests. Several came down to complain about the noise.

We truly regret the inconvenience caused to those guests but we were not responsible for it. We are sickened by the abuse and harassment the hotel staff faced for honouring a booking made by a group of women for a legitimate meeting on rights they hold in law.

We would like to thank all the brave people who attended the meeting on Monday, all our speakers and the local organisers who persisted in asserting their right to meet and discuss issues of concern to them in the face of abuse, harassment, intimidation and threat." (continues)

womansplaceuk.org/turning-the-tide-brighton-16th-july-2018/

Pratchet · 19/07/2018 08:34

Thanks. Let women speak.

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