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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide

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PlonitbatPlonit · 29/06/2018 20:43

Tickets now available to hear Kathleen Stock, Helen Saxby, Gill Smith and Ruth Serwotka in Brighton on 16 July

www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/a-womans-place-is-turning-the-tide-tickets-47592125328

Helen Saxby's blog notthenewsinbriefs.wordpress.com/

Article by Gill Smith www.transgendertrend.com/lesbian-detransitioner-must-question-primary-solution/

Kathleen Stock's blog medium.com/@kathleenstock

Article by Ruth Serwotka morningstaronline.co.uk/article/why-do-we-need-new-womens-movement

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PlonitbatPlonit · 16/07/2018 22:03

daimbars the talks were filmed, they will be up on youtube, then everyone can judge for themselves and form their own opinion.

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shitsgettingreal · 16/07/2018 22:03

I still think it's hilarious you were too cowardly to speak up there.

What were those dastardly women going to do? Respond?

daimbars · 16/07/2018 22:04

They were very strict about no photos or videos - is the official video going to be publicly available?

Floisme · 16/07/2018 22:04

Ah thanks Ova and Plonit and you too Daim. I'll look forward to seeing it for myself.

daimbars · 16/07/2018 22:05

Everything I have said is 100% correct - nobody who went tonight will challenge it.

Floisme · 16/07/2018 22:05

In that case you have nothing to worry about.

Cascade220 · 16/07/2018 22:08

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Ereshkigal · 16/07/2018 22:08

They were very strict about no photos or videos - is the official video going to be publicly available?

It always is and they have tweeted that tonight. Just the speakers generally.

daimbars · 16/07/2018 22:10

Who said I was worried Floisme? Let's wait for the video.

Although I bet they provide a highly edited version - if they let the whole thing go public I will eat my hat.

daimbars · 16/07/2018 22:13

SpartacusAutisticus single sex provisions is all Equality Act. There is no move to change the EA.

They admitted tonight there is a lot of confusion about the EA and the GRA and a lot of how they relate to one another is open to interpretation.

Cascade220 · 16/07/2018 22:16

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ToeToToe · 16/07/2018 22:16

I don't doubt what you say, daimbars. I'm saying it doesn't sound transphobic. I'm saying that it is patently ridiculous for transwomen to claim they have any sort of menstruation. Women will laugh at this, and it is not transphobic to disagree that transwomen menstruate in any way, shape or form.

Ereshkigal · 16/07/2018 22:19

They admitted tonight there is a lot of confusion about the EA and the GRA and a lot of how they relate to one another is open to interpretation.

That's true. But you have conceded yourself that having a GRC would likely strengthen a discrimination claim under the EA. So they are woven together.

OvaHere · 16/07/2018 22:19

There is no move to change the EA.

Maybe not so openly now because orgs like WPUK and FPFW stepped in to prevent that. There is written evidence that Stonewall and other organisations were trying to do exactly that.

So I'm sure you'll understand that we don't exactly trust what we are told.

Ereshkigal · 16/07/2018 22:21

The government have now (going back on Millers trans inquiry which did recommend this) said they have no intention of changing the exemptions in the EA.

LastTrainEast · 16/07/2018 22:22

single sex provisions is all Equality Act. There is no move to change the EA.
daimbars after all the times everyone has explained about this you can't actually be ignorant of the consequence to single sex provisions of men being 'officially' women.

Ereshkigal · 16/07/2018 22:24

Daim agreed with me when I pointed out legal opinion that a GRC would strengthen a discrimination claim about being excluded from women's spaces. A male with GRC has the protected sex characteristic of female, unlike males without.

ToeToToe · 16/07/2018 22:26

The govt have said they won't amend the EA - but Stonewall have been campaigning for it.

This will be a continuing battle.

TransplantsArePlants · 16/07/2018 22:27

"I'm not kind"

Oh grow up. Really daim. I've had a gutful of your self pity

Bingpot · 16/07/2018 22:28

@daimbars I'm interested to know why you think a discussion amongst women has to be a balanced debate that could potentially 'convert' you. I'm guessing you wouldn't go to a TRA meeting expecting them to listen to the concerns of GC feminists. Why do you have such a different standard for women? Isn't that misogyny?

TransplantsArePlants · 16/07/2018 22:32

daim

People have been courteous to you on here. You know what the arguments are and you've been given your chance to respond. And you do. Over and over. But you want people to 'be nice'. I won't be responding to anything you have to say again

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 16/07/2018 22:40

I've had a gutful of your self pity

I think the thing I've had a gutful of is this disingenuous pose of 'lil' 'ole me, off to see the nasty transphobes'. All the posts with phrases like, 'they admitted', 'I am 100% factually correct' Every statement has this layer of shitty spin on it. It's for lurkers obviously, but it betrays a complete contempt for lurkers actually because it's so fucking obvious.

And the 'yes yes yes, why didn't they talk about real issues facing women?' the 'open mind' and 'Lol'. Stop pretending that you're a nice slightly confused liberal eager to get on with the evil transphobes of FWR. Everyone here sees you.

TensionWheelsCoolHeels · 16/07/2018 22:41

I've been to a meeting where it was recorded, and people were asked not to film or audio record the speakers. It didn't take much to understand why that was the case, especially for 1 speaker in particular who was talking about her experience with a family member who could have been identifiable, so it was for their safety/privacy that the speech was edited/not shown in full.

Despite what some people are trying to insinuate, people who talk and who attend these meetings are still entitled to ask for, and expect, a degree of control over what they say, how it's presented, it at all, especially when so much effort goes into misrepresenting and outright lying about what goes on or is said, or the manor or intent of what is said.

Maybe if people quit with the hyperbolic nonsense, there would be little need eh?

LangCleg · 16/07/2018 22:44

If I watch that video and see Kathleen Stock - Kathleen Stock, FFS! - working the audience for a cheap, crude laugh, I'll eat my hat.

My biggest hat. The sorting one.

IntercontinentalButtCrack · 16/07/2018 22:44

Voice of the 82%!

Ahem - voice of the 53%.

We went through this the other day and sorted out the numbers from the pickle they had got into. Whoever inferred the 82 figure forgot to check the percentage of don't knows so just did 100-18 by mistake.

I realise that's a bit pedantic and OT, but it's awful when wrong stats get repeated and become accepted, especially in something as heated as this can get.

WPUK Brighton Meeting: Turning the Tide