Diva magazine is trans inclusive

[daimbars]

Statement on trans inclusion in a tweet from Diva, the UK's biggest lesbian magazine.
I'm pleased they've made their position clear, and support it.

I think I count at least twelvety

You know, at first I was ignoring this thread because yay more goading, but you know what? I'm glad Daim started this thread now. There's stuff in here that the general public needs to see before they make their minds up about how they feel about the idea of how access to women's spaces is handled.

After 15 years working in 'inclusion', the biggest lesson I've learned is that you if you include everyone in everything all the time, the whole thing becomes totally meaningless.

‘There's stuff in here that the general public needs to see before they make their minds up about how they feel about the idea of how access to women's spaces is handled.’

Exactly.

It is clear to everyone that heterosexual males who call themselves lesbians have been starting threads all over this board, pushing their vile, porn soaked lesbophobia, then other heterosexual males who also call themselves lesbians join in with them. At least anyone watching can see what they are about.

It's obvious these threads are being hijacked by TRA.

Totally agree AAK.

I tried to ignore the goady posts but I'm glad they are hopefully being seen for what they are.

i think if people are right about DIVA not being read by lesbians then it will go out of publication quite quickly if no one is buying it. If it does continue to do well that it might point to the fact that the people who buy it both lesibian and bi woman are fine with the magazines stance on this issue. i occasionally buy it if it as an interesting article or someone im interested in being interviewed. Ive never meet anyone who buys it all the time though.

It's unfair to say the entire lesbian community should shun trans women because a few people don't want to sleep with them.

Of course it's fair. It's written into the equality act.

I honestly don't get it. Do the people who post this kind of homophobic drivel really think they are persuading anyone to their viewpoint?

If this is the level of activism, I genuinely do not understand how they have made any headway, at all.

Even the most sexist person would find this sort of thing laughable.

As for claiming an entitlement to be naked around little girls...

If TWAW, and some are identifying as lesbians with penises, seems like an obvious solution would be to hook up with each other, no? They’re all lesbians, after all. And then leave the actual lesbians in peace.

This is it lurkers. See for yourself.

I phoned the Police today to ask if a person who identified as opposite to their birth sex was entitled to be around my DGD aged 6 in intimate spaces. The answer is no, safeguarding first - always.

Along come the TRA to tell you they are entitled to be there with YOUR naked child in a space where they should be safe. From the horses mouth folks.

spontaneousgiventime

this genuinely makes no sense, so you are saying the police who you spoke to like you can just phone them up without talking to the switchboard and spoke to a police officer who told you that someone was not entitled to be around a 6 year old child. is that in general, in a pubic changing room where they might also be. in a service where they work with young people.

no one is entitled to access to children if not in the correct context of this. can you please explain more how this was expressed to you.

can you please explain more how this was expressed to you.

Seriously? That's your take on her post?

"Explain yourself!"

Why?

I still prefer to read at After Ellen.

Jus' sayin'.

Bespin Don't believe me if you don't want to

The day I explain myself to you the sun will fall out of the sky.

in no way do i not believe you im interested in the context of your conversation with the police and in what context they expressed this view. i would assume that they were commenting on the legality of the situation and this would depend on the question and context you presented to them and how they saw this. you dont have to respond or answer any question i ask, at all please dont feel that you need to do that.

Umm, of course you can just phone the police. If you phoned the switchboard and asked if you could speak to someone for clarification about something, they would see if someone can speak to you. That’s part of their job.

I phoned to speak to them about a vulnerable adult (stranger) I was concerned about and I had no problems speaking to the relevant people.

Agree Lang, After Ellen is my go to these days.

Bespin I phoned 101 and asked them about safeguarding. I have posted about it, if you can't be bothered to read the post then tough.

Agree Lang, After Ellen is my go to these days.

Isn't it so much more interesting than Diva? And Claire Heuchan writes there, too! Definitely preferable.

sorry spontaneousgiventime i missed that post, do you have a link or thread title and i will have a look thanks.

Bespin

There is a search button, bottom right on a phone. You can copy and paste someone's name and search all their posts.

Thank you Datun. Someone's skivvy I am not.

brill thanks tried the search on the website as for once im on the laptop as phone is out of charge, didnt see as it throws up a lot. do you have a thread title, otherwise i will just scroll back if it was resent. as i said please dont feel obliged to provide this as you say i can look myself.

You got it my little spinning friend. Look yourself.

Spontaneous I'm glad the police were prepared to give you that clarification.

I can think of at least 3 swimming pools near me which are old and have communal, open plan (i.e. no cubicles) single sex changing rooms. If you want to take your child swimming you have to undress them in those changing rooms in front of other women, because there is nowhere else. Penises do not belong in such a changing room, whether their owner identifies as a man, a woman, or the Queen of Fucking Sheba. Safeguarding trumps everything else.

And if you (generic you) cannot understand this, then you are precisely the sort of individual who should not be allowed within a million miles of women-only spaces.