Diva magazine is trans inclusive

[daimbars]

Statement on trans inclusion in a tweet from Diva, the UK's biggest lesbian magazine.
I'm pleased they've made their position clear, and support it.

The thing it Nat is entitled to use that changing room just as much as any other woman is by law.

Entitled sums it up.

I see where you are coming from SophoclesTheFox but when something is already law and has been law for 14 years feelings aren't relevant.

what law is it that covers changing rooms, daim?

The Gender Recognition Act. Trans women with a GRC are legally women and able to use female single sex facilities. If a trans woman has a GRC you could not kick her out of a changing room if you tried, no matter how uncomfortable she made you feel.

Prior to obtaining a GRC, trans women are obliged to live as a woman for two years to satisfy a gender recognition panel. This would involve using single sex facilities as a woman.

I may be stating the obvious but it seems like a few of the contributors to this thread are blokes pretending to be women.

entitled

And there it is!

Male entitlement is the issue here, nothing to do with lesbians, changing rooms or anything else.

Men should be able to do anything they feel entitled to.

Why not just say this from the get go?

Kinda defeats the purpose of a conversation on feminism doesn't it. Maybe their should be a TRA section

Diva looks like a crap magazine. I don't care where it stands, nor about who wastes their time reading it. Its meaningless.

I may be stating the obvious but it seems like a few of the contributors to this thread are blokes pretending to be women.

It would certainly seem so. Spouting the same rubbish over and over. So boring.

2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

I understand what the GRA is and does , daim.

I'm not talking about legal entitlement.

I'm talking feelings. Emotions. Consideration for others. And when those wants collide, whose wants should prevail and when giving way is expected routinely of women.

Snappity I have reported your post for lesbophobia.

Lesbian sexuality is not a “problem”, much less “the problem”.

Implying that lesbians who aren’t interested in males as partners are any kind of problem, are the problem in the “lesbian” community, is pure lesbophobia.

Which group is the problem?

Hmm, let me think. Oh yes. Its men.

Yes, talking.

We're getting to the nub now, which is lesbophobia, pure and simple.

I don't know who A, B and C are in snappity's parable, but what rabbit hole have we gone down to think that it's ok to describe lesbians (female homosexuals) wanting to get together with other lesbians (other female homosexuals) as "the problem" in ANY context??

In what context is it OK to describe anyone saying no to sex with a specific group of people as the problem?

Also reported Snappity

I think it’s pretty clear what Snappity means:

A - female people who identify as homosexual but are attracted to male people if those males identify as women

B - biologically male people who identify as women who are attracted to women

C - female homosexuals who are exclusively attracted to other biologically female people

Snappity is implying that the problem in the lesbian community is the actual lesbians.

I got lost in the analogy of who was who, so thanks for the explanation talking - it's been a long day and I'm tired! I could still work out who "the problem" was, though - that much was abundantly clear in all its gynephobic majesty.

Yes, wasn’t it just!

Vile.

Glad to help! I think we’re all melting somewhat in this heat

Oh, message deleted already. That was quick
I wonder how many strikes snappity is on now...?