Group of ‘women’ attack a man

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Shared on LBC yeasterday
here
Have a good look at see what you think

See lbc could have stuck with that response and left up the public's comments which clearly called bullshit. Then they would have kept police happy, obeyed the nonsense "you must lie" rule and showed that Joe Public is not as stupid as the government presume.

Deleting the comments shows only one thing. Throwing women under the bus. Am tired of this charade.

That's regular folk being silenced. Hopefully regular folk will now realise and go wtf

don't the british transport police mean gender identity not sex?

and what do they mean by "present themselves". did the btp actually ask or did they infer it from their clothes hair and makeup?

if they asked do they have to ask everyone or just some people? is it not discriminatory to just ask some people?

So Hope, am i to understand that it's ok for [shall we call them new posters?]] to go from thread to thread uttering disgusting anti-women views, belittling women's opinions, stating outright lies, being deliberately offensive (for example about vaginoplasty, birth injury, infertility etc etc) on multiple threads.

But pointing it out is deletable?

I'm just looking for clarity here.

I'm not surprised the comments are gone.

I pointed out yesterday that the Daily Fail article wasn't allowing comments.

No-one is allowing comments. It might hurt people's feelings.

I presume (as an aside) that any crime carried out by a woman in jeans will now be referred to as a male crime.

Pratchet wrote: "No independent and reliable source".

This is feeling more and more like a social conformity experiment on a vast scale. It's an interesting variant when neither an authority figure nor the group to which one wishes to conform have to be present. It's troubling if authority/influential groups merely have to assert their perspective, for media reports to adopt it as something that can not be questioned.

Nonetheless, I'd like to know why LBC felt they had to delete the comments (I didn't see them). Does LBC have guidelines governing this? Are LBC now assuming a delegated authority to enforce the BTP's official perspective as the only one that can be presented? To the point where LBC uses it to respond to those who query it and they don't even need to provide an explanation to the people whose comments were deleted?

This feels like a remarkable extension of social conformity.

Probably not going to happen - but this would be an interesting experiment (view the video, what do you think is happening) and discussion for Question Time. Or a BBC Lab. that is intended to allow people to experience gaslighting. I might be wrong - it might be more akin to the

Is it normal for LBC to delete comments? I must admit I never normally look at their site, but had done after this awful attack. Just wondering if The Lobby demanded they remove the comments?

That doenst bode well poop

I have also complained so I expect I'll Get the same response

LBC last night had around 20 comments all unanimous and all along the lines of "come on lbc what are you playing at? Those are clearly men in dresses attacking another man?, don't be ridiculous those aren't women etc " .

We need Kirkup to get on this and the Last Leg. It seems men are listened to when controversy is afoot.

I am not on twitter, anyone able to tweet and keep spreading the word on this?

and is there any way of finding the comments page that was removed?

Because you know there is propaganda and then there is straight up gaslighting right?

Haha. Everyone's going the way of the Grauniad!

"We know almost everyone in the entire country is against this and we can't let them say so because we've addled ourselves with the pomo and must not see reality in case we disappear in a puff of smoke so BTL MUST GO."

That is a video of a man being beaten up at 2am by either transmen or transvestites. I'm not sure whether the fact that they are natal males has any bearing on the horrific nature of the violence though.
In 1984 I was beaten up in exactly the same fashion (and coincidentally ended up with exactly the same injuries) while working in a city centre bar under a 4-star hotel, by a group of natal women. Clearly I asked for it, as I was a size 14 girl in a busy bar trying to collect glasses. Some people are just awful.

I think that there are solid reasons to question self-ID but pulling out random violent crimes committed by transwomen isn't going to help that discussion.

Just thought I'd share my original complaint to LBC, together with their lame response.

Your report on this video is wholly inaccurate. It was clearly a group of men who were the perpetrators of this horrific act of violence, not women. You have a duty to record the facts of the case. Regardless of how these men were dressed, this was clearly an act of male violence and it is unethical to attribute it to women.

Thank you for your email, we always appreciate people taking the time to share their feedback.
We have gone back to the British Transport Police in light of your email.
Their response is that “We classify individuals’ sex according to what sex they present themselves as and how they would like to be defined.” With no other independent and reliable source that these were in fact men, we continue to observe the details the British Transport Police shared with us. Should that change, we will of course update our online article.
Thanks again for taking the time to get in touch.
Kind regards,
LBC

Crime is a problem, violent crime is a huge problem.

Male violence is one of the biggest threats to life for women worldwide therefore attributing male violence to women is a problem and wrong.

Deleting comments from the readership pointing that out is wrong.

Pretence, all of it.

I am also confused around the headline and agree. With a. Lot of the posters on this thread and I do think that lbc are doing what a lot of media organisations do these days and creating there own content, meaning that they know people would react to this and that they will be able to discuss it in phone ins. I would have been happy for them to state trans woman or drag Queens if that is how the people identify as I think stating woman when it is not clear what someones identified gender is lazy journalists and the other papers headlines like woman is dresses is even lazyer but we all know none of these other articles are really researched as it's just taken from the original story and altered slightly.

Gah that sounds awful for you-hope you are ok now?
In this instance though we have clear filmed evidence of this brutal attack, and it highlights the madness of not identifying perpetrators by their sex, but by their chosen identity-this is wrong and dangerous (for everyone, not just women & children) Also we are told trans women are no threat to women.....really?

I know it's a general news item rather than primarily a political issue but I wonder what BBC Reality Check or somewhere like Full Fact have to say about this?

Lol at BBC Reality Check looking into this. Sorry but I can see some pigs with wings hoving into view.

Worth messaging as many journalists as possible regards this-only takes one to run with it.....after all if the assailants didn't have GRCs they should have been reported as men. Wonder how the attack started in the first place?

This incident highlights the reporting policies of the police and media outlets.

Surely what is now of interest is whether they are fit for purpose and what are the (possibly unintended) consequencies of these?

I'm not sure whether the fact that they are natal males has any bearing on the horrific nature of the violence though.

So why say in the headline that they are women? If their sex is irrelevant, why say four women and not four people?

I thought about this story again the morning when the news had an item on the Government’s decision to shelve plans for five new women’s prisons in favour of residential units. www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-44622498

Quite apart from the ultimate destination of these attackers should they (hopefully) be found guilty, it demonstrates what so many posters have said on here previously about inaccurate records leading to bad policy making.

(not that this event had any bearing on the announcement, obviously, but the policy change was apparently due at least in part to the profile of women offenders)

Gah
I know the terminology is confusing
You say "transmen or transvestites" but I think you mean "transwomen or transvestites".