Group of ‘women’ attack a man

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Shared on LBC yeasterday
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Have a good look at see what you think

I dont know exactly hwat Bespin had done but can I jsut ask that you pelase remain tolerant of people with terrible typing, ie like me!?!

My brain does logic and reasoning well, but not memory and typing and written expression (health condition) so I really struggle to post eloquently and keep up but I think I have the occasional useful thing to say and have no on ein RL to discuss with in this way.

So, anyway, i found this earlier when I was researching the reporting of crime and recording trans status, sex vs gender etc, in this document www.gov.uk/government/statistics/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-statistics-2015

It is a bit out of date I know but I was looking at trends of rises in crime etc.

it only mentions categorisation by gender, not sex, but uses the words male and female, and transgender is mentioned only once in the whole document to say 4 transgender results (out of thousands of bits of data) were excluded. No mention of trans in any other way,

it also says this:

Section 95 of the Criminal Justice Act 1991 states that:
“The Secretary of State shall in each year publish such information as he considers expedient for the purpose of facilitating the performance of those engaged in the administration of justice to avoid discriminating against any persons on the ground of race or sex or any other improper ground.”

Clearly the Sec State does not consider it expediant to know or understand the biological sex of criminals and victims, only their gender. Is this discriminatory against the protected characteristic of sex in some way? that is it ignored and not counted seperately? or am I cluthing at straws!!

Indeed, debate is difficult when it keeps getting interrupted by people going "can we not have this debate yet?"

I am thebewilderness

I apologise for pendantry.

If you look closely at the start of the video,the dark skinned man in the white dress is waving at us all while he lifts his leg......iykwim

Adding "derailing" to the ever growing list of "words, what do they mean?"

@seafret

But does that text conflate sex and gender?

Article from Fairplay for Women website:

"Worldwide, 95% of murderers are men.

Sex differences in crime would make a whole website on its own – and should, if it hasn’t been done already. Suffice to say that the vast majority of crimes are committed by men. Violent criminals are nearly all men, and so are their victims. It’s a vexing problem.

The majority of men’s male victims are either friends/acquaintances or total strangers. This means that most of them were fighting. The majority of female victims are the men’s partners/ex-partners. There’s a qualitative difference between the sexes: men usually know they’re getting into a fight and, on some level, make a personal risk assessment. Their average chances of either winning the fight or being able to get away are far higher than women’s.

A smaller proportion of male murder victims – those who were in a weak position to start with – are in a similar predicament to female victims, and quite likely killed by men because their killer felt he should defend masculinity by beating up a woman or a gay man.

The fact that most criminals are male merits in-depth discussion beyond our current scope. FPFW will be looking further into violent crimes against women by men, because the sex differential puts us at risk. This post presents facts & statistics about murder (homicide) perpetrators and victims by sex...." (continues)

fairplayforwomen.com/murderers-men/

bespin I think you'll find 'men in drag' fall into Stonewall's category of 'trans' nowadays.

And re people 'debating points' - ffs thebewilderness is one of the people I've seen here calmly, over years, not just months, debating points over and over again. Even when others refuse to engage. It's disingenuous to try to paint her in a different light - we can all see for our own eyes.

#Iamthebewilderness!

It’s utter madness. So wrong. We are utterly screwed.

ChocAuVin

Its worth watching this video, 'Women are fighting back'

It's still a bunch of men viciously attacking another man who is flat out on the ground.

The male attackers are dressed up in wigs and skimpy frocks.

These crimes are currently being reported, perversely, as having been committed by women.

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There are links to the blogs, writings and twitter accounts of many of the women and groups highlighed in the video in the thread I referred to previously:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3284251-Lisa-Muggeridge-Suspended-by-Twitter-and-Quoting-her-breaches-MN-Guidelines

lighthouse yes I think is does conflate sex with gender, but I am so confused now with it all now that I end up doubting it all!

Tables showing data are headed gender, but then uses words male and female, not men and women, and it also mentions that the data 'is only' lifted from other sources eg courts, and some mention of instances where gender was "allowed" not to be stated, so there is some acknowlegement of transgender issues though not explicitly stated. Its all stealth isn't it.

I'd like to ask the minister why it is not expedient to record biological sex.

If this was a beating where assailants and victim were all dressed as men it would not have made the news, normal male on male violence is much too commonplace a crime.

At the moment the statistics on male violence vs female violence support our argument that transwomen may present a danager to females.

This will be why trans activists have put so much effort into ensuring crimes committed by transwomen are recorded as crimes by women...

• hides the crimes of transwomen
• makes it appear as if women are becoming more violent so in less need of protection from male bodied people

It’s utter madness. So wrong. We are utterly screwed.

It's not madness. It is over influence of lobbyists. This happens all the time in politics and can be countered by sophisticated lobbying.

We are not utterly screwed. Extremism always pushes boundaries and with appropriate actions and activism can be reigned in.

Regrettably in the USA it's taken a Trump presidency to bring the ID POMO world to a reckoning.

Let's make the most of this salutary lesson

right its midnight my bed time, i just watched that video again and what i found this time is what is going on around this act of violance, people chant fight, fight, people get there phones out and others comment on the fight. Very few people actually seem to want to help anyone and aside from what as happened and how it is reported i find that truely sad that most peoples reaction is to do this. im sure more info for this will come out and imn sure we will have many discussions on the legal process as it unfolds. night night all

Yeah can Trump be a one off and not be duplicated in other countries please?

This beating had absolutely nothing to do with women. It's wrong to say that it did. The fact that people are saying that it did is 100% the result of trans activists creating an atmosphere in which organizations default to assuming any male person in a skirt or dress has a female "gender identity" because doing so is the easiest way of avoiding a media and social media shitstorm.

This remains true regardless of how the people who beat the shit out of the young man and stomped on his head "identify".

It is the result of a combination of successful lobbying and fraud, to be quite frank. The transgender advocacy groups like Mermaids defrauded the police in the training materials they provided, just as they did the councils.
Even judges have been advised to lie and instruct witnesses to lie at the behest at transgender advocacy lobbyist.

Very few people actually seem to want to help anyone

What a total arsewipe comment.

This entire thread is about helping everyone. The people that are on the receiving end of this no holds barred ideology The people on the receiving end of this free for all.

Holey fuckoly.

Let's just have this logged as an attack from women against men then the stats will show how aggressive women can be. Big agenda there.

And despite your dissembling, it's still a bunch of men in wigs and frocks viciously attacking a man who is flat out on the floor, And these male thugs are being reported in the press as "women".

Aren't you even just a little bit disgusted by that post of yours?

Its been interesting to note how often some prominent TRAs refer to the fact that women also commit violent crimes in recent interviews.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3270344-Paris-Lees-interviewed-by-Nick-Robinson-on-Radio-4-now-on

I don't love the use of the word 'under-represented' on the downloads page...

"In general, females appear to have been substantially under-represented as offenders throughout the CJS compared with males. This is particularly true in relation to the most serious offence types and sentences, though patterns by sex vary between individual offences.

Females were also typically underrepresented among practitioners in the CJS and among victims of violent crime, although they were more likely than males to have been a victim of intimate violence or child abuse. Trends over time for each sex often mirror overall trends, though this is not always the case."

Note that is doesn't use the same terms to say that women were 'over-represented' amongst victims of imtiamte violence or child abuse. it is an interesting choice of language.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-statistics-2015