Had a reply from CRUK re "cervix havers"

[ShotsFired]

(Longstanding donor, I emailed them following this article: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/smear-test-campaign-drops-the-word-woman-to-avoid-transgender-offence-263mj7f6s?shareToken=84b68d81ce844a6f55b8e64b9a36757b)

The meat of their reply as follows.

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We want to make it clear that this is not about disengaging women from the screening programme, or eradicating the word women. It’s our duty to make sure that everyone who is eligible for this screening programme knows about it. Research shows that cervical screening prevents at least 2,000 cervical cancer deaths each year in the UK so it is vital that we raise awareness that Cervical cancer develops in anyone who has a cervix.

In addition to this, screening might not be relevant for all women such as those who have had a full hysterectomy. We phrased our information on cervical screening to reflect this. Some women identify as men but still have a cervix, so we wanted to make it clear that they would still need to be aware of the screening programme.

We do always welcome feedback and so I do thank you for getting in touch. We definitely want to ensure that our messaging is as accessible as possible for lots of different audiences and do not want to discourage anyone who has cervix from the screening programme. We will make sure that’s considered for future communications.

Based on this I have now decided to withdraw my donation from CRUK and support a charity that focuses specifically on female gynae cancers instead.

I mean it's a tweet FFS Could they not afford 2? Maybe it was the woke pomo who tweeted that cost a lot of money?

We'll never know about most posters. I looked at some old threads and wondered if some of the great posters on them had disappeared or just name-changed.

Erm I did. That's the point.

Don't be passive aggressive with us - it won't wash.

I think you'll find it's you can't pick up sarcasm.

I am aghast at the suggestion that it's fine that the campaign will miss lots of the target group for various reasons (education, language barriers, even just things like lack of time / appts and needing a push to go)

Because

Women can (should?) spend their time cruising around the CRUK website and the info is there (but only in some places).

Never heard of accessibility?

If that's the approach we can just have a big book in the library with all the info about everything in, dicth all the public health initiatives, and work on the basis that everyone will be motivated to read it all, and also to understand, and to act. Job done!

Kettle that was sarcasm. Im sorry if you didn't pick it up.

This was supposed to be added in bold to my post

Why can’t they just say “females over the age of”? A transman knows they are female biologically, a transwoman knows they are male biologically.

It's the fucking slippery slope isn't it? I bet it is driven more by blokes who feel jealous of the 'attention', the pink bows & 5k races with pink tabards that women's major killers get.
I reckon 'the offended transmen' BS is just a smokescreen for entitled men wanting to park their goolies in the middle of any cultural care or concerns that are specific to female biology and the women who have it.

So how do I know if I have a cervix? Is it a feeling? I mean it seems to me like any random man or woman could have one from reading that....

The womb is the pear shaped muscular bag that holds a baby during pregnancy.

The uterus is not a 'bag', it's an important part of a female's anatomy. For example it contracts during orgasm, adding to the complexity and pleasure. I know this because when I had orgasms during pregnancy I could feel the contractions at the top of my abdomen.

There are studies to support that post hysterectomy, some females experience bowel and urinary problems, because the bowel falls down into the empty space left.

Kettle, I'm not going to get in to a bin fight over it.

Anyway, my point was that the word 'women' is all over the CRUK website and other campaigns...

Also, did any of you actually watch the video attached to the original offending tweet? At the end of the video it says "it's for women without symptoms" (see pic)

The word woman is not going anywhere.

For me, it’s all back to front anyway, it’s the descriptive man that apparently holds such offence. Transwomen scream that they are not men yet suddenly don’t care about being called men when it comes to male specific cancers. So shouldn’t it be the descriptive man/men taken off the blurb for prostate, testicular and penile cancer? That this doesn’t cause offence is testimony to the hypocrisy.

Bun fight, not bin fight.

Snappity, as always, patrolling around a Feminst board with their nose in the air, up there on their high horse, to tell us all we don't know what a woman is.

No debate.

No engagement.

No evidence.

Knows exactly what the views are and chooses to throw around these deliberately inflammatory comments.

Yet still, you're here.

That's right Random, dismiss me, don't engage because you're so morally superior aren't you?

I am engaging.. I've been engaging all over the place. I just wanted to avoid a pointless argument about who was being sarcastic or not. What does that solve?

The uterus is not a 'bag', it's an important part of a female's anatomy.

To be fair, describing it as a bag or a sac does not suggest it is not an important part of female anatomy at all. It is merely describing it- same as the vagina is an orifice. How would you describe it?

Your engagement is that it's fine to miss the vast majority of the target audience in a public health campaign because if they do theire research properly - clicking links, reading the website, they will get the info that they need (even though they don't know to click etc as they don't know it's talking to them in the first place).

Is this a "women's work" thing? Like women are just expected to go above and beyond, to take care, to do work, to look into things? Whereas it's expected that men will be a bit lazy and only do stuff if it is absolutely totally 100% directed at them?

Reminds me of stuff like
Bacon sandwiches at parenting groups for dads
Reading books @ schools chosen for what will "engage" the boys (main characters male, possibly war / violence) and the girls are expected to "engage" with whatever they are set
There are loads more those 2 just sprung to mind.

Women are just expected to put up with substandard stuff, to "engage" with stuff even when it's not thought of with them in mind.

From that perspective this campaign is not only tone deaf, it supports a view of society that women are supposed to behave this way.

www.lifeafterhysterectomy.com/bowel-problems-after-hysterectomy/

Vagina isn't really an orifice or a hole though, when there's nothing in it, it does not hold open, empty.

I read a really interesting article about representation of female anatomy on diagrams and it was about all this stuff.

Sort of a view that a cunt is an open channel always waiting to be filled with a dick. When of course it isn't like that at all.

Sardines thar is completely not my point. My point is that the woman is all over campaigns, advertising and the website as it is. The video attached to the tweet you are talking about also says woman. The letter sent to me by my doctor said "woman" when inviting me for a smear. I just don't see the problem if a single tweet aims to target a slightly different group. And I absolutely agree it's important to include the word woman, but they do. All the time.

I would describe it as an important and powerful pelvic muscle exclusive to female born. It is NOT hollow by the way. Most women have a uterus that is not in a pregnant state. All the sides are closed together.

The vulva is connected to the vagina, the vagina is connected to the cervix, the cervix is connected to the uterus, the uterus is connected to the fallopian tubes, the fallopian tubes are connected to the ovaries. The whole lot sit comfortably next to the bladder - a female bladder that is designed by biology to accommodate this.

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Just read the link with some trepidation. Literally just had a radical ovariohysterectomy. As in on Thursday. Hope to be ok as had no bowel adhesions.

Public health initiatives and campaigns are only useful if they are targeted at/make it easy for the hardest to reach people. That's the entire point of them.

Bourgeois, blue-haired, up-themselves-to-infinity idiots will never need a public health campaign to access potentially life-saving screening. They know this stuff already. They monopolise resources already. This campaign is not for them - either to inform them about services they're already aware of or to validate their identities.

That CRUK prioritises bourgeois wokeness over actually reaching the least likely demographics to take up screening just tells me that it is not fit to run public health campaigns - or to receive any donations from me.

Random, you know that screenshot that you put up at 11:11:08? That alphabetic list of cancers?

That is what I am talking about. That list right there.

You must know it exists because you did a screenshot of it.

Click on Breast Cancer. What does it say in the explanation?

Click on Cervical Cancer. What does it say in the explanation?

Click on Womb Cancer. What does it say in the explanation?

Click on Prostate Cancer. What does it say in the explanation?

Click on Testicular Cancer. What does it say in the explanation?

Click on Penile Cancer. What does it say in the explanation?

Eek. Why did I click the link?
For the record I had a hysterectomy 9 years ago - no problems since with bowels or anything else.
Also for the record I no longer have a cervix but that doesn't make me any less female ;)

" I just don't see the problem if a single tweet aims to target a slightly different group."

They didnt try to target a different group - they tried to target the same group but in a way that didn't upset another group that are not affected by the disease.

If they wanted to target transmen and other people with cervixes who do not define themselves as women / female then they need to :

Research if there is a lack of engagement from those groups
Research why
Find out geographically if there are "hotspots" for the people you are targeting to be
Engage with support groups about disseminating info
& etc and so on

You say "well they talk about women in the clicky". So then they FAIL dont' they, becasue if the point was to talk to "people with cervixes" so as to avoid triggering / upsetting / disengaging transmen and gender fluid people then they have fucked up by including a video with the word "woman" when you click.

That's the thing you see - if they mean it then they would have thought it through and been consistent so as not to alienate the target audience at any point.

All this shows that they didn't think about it At All.

Have they got stats around takeup of cervical screening in transmen and gender fluid people in the UK VS general population? I'd be interested to see them. If they show takeup is fine then they didn't need to do this. If they show takeup is not fine then their approach still fails. It is a halfway house that serves to miss the majority audience and still alienate the minority audience.