Had a reply from CRUK re "cervix havers"

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(Longstanding donor, I emailed them following this article: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/smear-test-campaign-drops-the-word-woman-to-avoid-transgender-offence-263mj7f6s?shareToken=84b68d81ce844a6f55b8e64b9a36757b)

The meat of their reply as follows.

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We want to make it clear that this is not about disengaging women from the screening programme, or eradicating the word women. It’s our duty to make sure that everyone who is eligible for this screening programme knows about it. Research shows that cervical screening prevents at least 2,000 cervical cancer deaths each year in the UK so it is vital that we raise awareness that Cervical cancer develops in anyone who has a cervix.

In addition to this, screening might not be relevant for all women such as those who have had a full hysterectomy. We phrased our information on cervical screening to reflect this. Some women identify as men but still have a cervix, so we wanted to make it clear that they would still need to be aware of the screening programme.

We do always welcome feedback and so I do thank you for getting in touch. We definitely want to ensure that our messaging is as accessible as possible for lots of different audiences and do not want to discourage anyone who has cervix from the screening programme. We will make sure that’s considered for future communications.

Based on this I have now decided to withdraw my donation from CRUK and support a charity that focuses specifically on female gynae cancers instead.

lang

Think tertiary is post 16... so college and upwards

Wakame, if you were the true believer you purport to be you would not be spamming the threads with this speculative fiction and claiming it is fact. If you were a true believer you would not be here at all.
You want what you want and you will say and do anything to get it. That is not the behavior of any kind of believer. That is what abusers, con men, and grifters do.

Ta cleg

I don’t have the tertiary
But do know that u need to put women in the message as that everyone is confusing

Agree this is not about how anyone IDs but about the watering down of messaging / muddying of messaging around this (cervical cancer) plus it's been seen with other chairities and orgs.

And despite some noise stating otherwise, in general, it seems to be things that are related to women that are flagged as problematic.

So, same as forever really.

How badly do you have to hate women to try to depress the number of women who get smears for cervical cancer? Criminy!

You may have seen the little crystal mark on stuff before? These guys do sterling work...

www.plainenglish.co.uk

I dont know if it’s true but I’m sure I’ve read that the average reading age in the UK is that expected from a nine year old

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/28/three-rs-on-the-decline-as-a-quarter-of-adults-have-a-reading-ag/

It’s infuriating to think of a bunch of woke uni grads confusing what needs to be a very simple message. It HAS to be simple. It has to be clear.

The fact that something like "women and anyone with a cervix" or similar is deemed insufficient says it all really.

It's nothing to do with inclusion and everything to do with not linking the words woman and cervix.

Wakame, we all see you for what you are. You don't believe this nonsense anymore than we do.

Hope this helps a bit

Barriers to effective uptake of cancer screening among black and minority ethnic groups
Veronica Nicky Thomas , Tariq Saleem , Rachel Abraham
+AFFILIATIONS
doi.org/10.12968/ijpn.2005.11.11.20096
Published Online: September 28, 2013

www.magonlinelibrary.com/doi/abs/10.12968/ijpn.2005.11.11.20096

The abstract says:

"Analysis of focus group data has revealed poor knowledge, underlying health and cultural beliefs, attitudes, language and unhelpful attitudes of health professionals to be important barriers. In terms of strategies for effective intervention, the most popular strategy for improving uptake of screening services was community-based cancer awareness education that is sensitive to religious and cultural needs."

And suggests community education is needed.

I can't get the full text but the abstarct is pretty clear.

The CRUK poster/tweet would not be increase uptake in these circumstances.

The penis is also the same organ as a clitoris (just thought I'd throw that one in there for you).

Wakame, your grasp on developmental biology is, as I have said before, tenuous.

A Skene’s gland is not a prostate, any more than a jaw is a gill arch.

What you’re referring to is structures which can be either derived from similar embryonic tissue pools (such as say moles/freckles and parts of your eye like the coloured bit of iris) or homologous structures.

A penis is not a clitoris.
A Skene’s gland is not a prostate.
The cells in your freckles and in the retinal pigmented epithelium come from exactly the same tissue type that migrates through the body. This is how bodies are built - various pools of tissue types, cell types etc and basic structures are tinkered with, and gonoff and differentiate into different organs and tissues.

The wing of a bat has most of the same skeletal structure as my hand and arm, but I cannot fly, and a bat cannot write.

Men and women can both get prostate cancer too

No, they can't. Saying that some people refer to something that is not a prostate as "a bit like a prostate" and then deciding that a cancer there shall therefore be referred to as female prostate cancer does not mean that it is actually a prostate and that women can get prostate cancer.

It's a bit like when some people decided to give a name to someone, male, that was not a woman, "trans woman", and then decided that since they were now really a type of women, they were a woman. And so males are women. So therefore women means males and females, because someone made up a name for a male that s had the word woman in it, and therefore it is so.

Think tertiary is post 16... so college and upwards

Yes, sorry - was trying to combine further and higher into one and fucked it up!

lang

I was sat here thinking

Well i went to (insert name of town) tertiary college so it must be college up

Sonic

It's a bit like when someone identifies their posterior as their synovial hinge joint and therefore doesn't know their arse from their elbow.

Sorry, I know this thread is serious but I have just had eyes bigger than the third tinderbox dog. "A penis is like a clitoris" proclaims one poster.

Hang on thinks I - I don't wee out of my clitoris.

Biology lessons needed, me thinks!

spontaneous

Trouble is with the poster in question having such a tenuous grasp on reality I can't actually believe anything they say

If they said my eyes were blue I'd have to go and check the mirror

So, lurkers, how harmless do you think extreme trans activism is now? How reasonable? Are you OK with having Wakame's style of, um, let's just call it creative interpretation of human biology imposed on the general population in the name of kindness to a marginalized minority and being polite? With women being publicly shamed and silenced for saying "well that's a load of old cobblers"?

Bowlofbabelfish - are you a medic?

Angry attack kittens
Public believe none of this shit they really don’t
Politicians cowards as ever

Agreed, but many are pretending to because they don't want to seem unkind. My question is, just how much are you willing to give up in order not to seem unkind? How far does this subgroup of frankly delusional people have to push you, the general public, before you say nope, no more?

How many women need to get cervical cancer so that transgenders can be included and charities can appear to be WOKE?
Fifty enough? What about a thousand?

kettle

Research scientist, doctor but not medic (nor do I play one on TV..) research mainly on the genetics of normal and abnormal development - so what goes right and what goes wrong, developmental syndromes/cancer etc.

22 years in research, now working in design/implementing/managing/analysing clinical trials.

Rufus I will be honest. How and why anyone converses with that poster is beyond me. They are not a contradiction, they are a liar. They think/hope because this is a public board there will be people who will believe them.

Let me tell you something this poster thinks. These are either their own words or they posted they agreed with.

People like Caitlyn Jenner should be classed the same as infertile women even though they have fathered children.

People who present opposite to their birth sex should be given the transplanted uterus of a dead woman so they can get pregnant and have a child.

Men can breastfeed.

I'll leave it at that.

A male person cannot have a transplanted uterus by the way, you transplant one organ for a donated one of the same kind. They mean an implanted uterus but refuse to even acknowledge that as it means they are 'othered'.

Thought you must be in the field Babel. Fantastic