Ministers commit to preserving sex-based exemptions

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Open access link: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ministers-put-curbs-on-trans-rights-7zx2cbh2j?shareToken=71ea2e364a4682a6395af2056695238d

And all done with good humour, too.

And what could be more British than that? A credit to their families, they are.

Please tell me where I broke your talk guidelines. I am appalled that I have been deleted.

I've been deleted as well but I can't remember what I said.

Kettlepotblackagain
I'm campaigning f to ensure that protections in place for women are upheld. Im campaigning to ensure that predatory males are not able to get even easier access to women.
Then you are wasting your time and energy, by campaigning to protect something that is not under threat!

The focus, hard as this might be to believe, is not trans people.
If only that were true. You and others are mounting a very active campaign to remove existing rights from trans people. If you stopped doing so, then this whole fabricated furore would stop, almost overnight. But that would put an end to all those newspaper columns and chat show invites that provide so much income and personal fame for the privileged few who are spearheading the anti-trans movement.

A significant part of me is very uncomfortable by the added layer to this that some trans people rifle through toilet bins for used tampons, that go to smear tests to see if the nurse thinks their surgical vagina is 'real', that chats on Internet forums about how they went in changing rooms and 'passed'.
And a significant part of me is very uncomfortable that you actually believe this tosh!

You might also want to target the 'figureheads' of your campaigns. The ones that present hyper-sexualised images of themselves and think that being a women is all about dresses and hair and make up. Their desperation for validation is palpable.
I have no idea who you are talking about. I don't know who our "figureheads" are supposed to be, or what "campaigns" you are talking about. I've seen the occasional transperson allowed onto TV programmes or the papers in order to provide some semblance of "balance". And most of those who do get these rare opportunities take much the same care over their presentation as any other woman — i.e. the amount of effort (and success) varies , from person to person.

If there had been one jot of consideration for the needs and fears of women by your 'community' then we must be able to actually have a discussion. But everything is dismissed and trivialised to suit your agenda time and time again so no, no negotiation.
I, and everyone else that I know of who has got involved in this, started off by thinking "maybe there are some real concerns here, and I need for find out more. Gradually, my stance has changed. I see no real needs or fears — I just see fake fears, endlessly repeated, and all reassurances rejected — usually accompanied by torrents of abuse!

I feel very sorry for women and girls who feel frightened by the present situation. But their fears have nothing to do with trans people, and we candy nothing to assuage them. The only people who can do that are the people who set up these bogeymen in the first place — the anti-trans cult leaders. And I'm afraid that at the moment, they are making too much personal currency out of the anti-trans movement to want to pull the plug on it.

Someone must remember to ask the Man Friday chaps and Julia Long what they intend to do with all the money they've earned from their lucrative speaking out against the excesses of trans activism gigs. New conservatory maybe?

And what could be more British than that? A credit to their families, they are.

Best of British! We owe them a debt.

Just looking again at the comments now. Overwhelmingly sensible and majority gender critical. Progress!

It really is fantastic to see in the comments that the tide is clearly turning

It’s all window dressIng. There’s no requirement to use the exemptions, and so hospitals, refuges, schools, swimming pool changing rooms etc will continue to use self ID. There’s also no requirement to keep records, so yes the trans woman with stubble who turned up to do a smear test will presumably keep doing so.

The law needs a re write

Males are a factual threat to children and females they always have been.

Females evolved to use sight, touch, smell and hearing to determine if someone is male because they are a real threat to us.

Just looking again at the comments now. Overwhelmingly sensible and majority gender critical. Progress!

This is why we need main stream media to print these stories. Even articles in the Fail get a reasonable % of sensible GC comments.

FortunateCookie
I take it that’s a no then Damn.
Well spotted! That is exactly what I said!

You aren’t able to say that you don’t have a problem with the single sex exemptions in the Eq A.
I don't have a problem with them, why would I? I am not campaigning to have the EA changed — you are!

^In a major victory, ministers have vowed not to change a law nobody was proposing changing...
How can you post this but then refuse to say that you don’t want it changed?^
But it's not up for change ! ! It is only the anti-trans lobby that is trying to get the rights of trans people removed !

One thing I would like to see changed, though, is that I would like to see it made a criminal offence to incite hatred on the grounds of gender reassignment made a criminal offence. Any reason why anyone here might oppose that?

FortunateCookie
How can you post this but then refuse to say that you don’t want it changed?

Oh wait, I know why....
You're completely wrong, but at least you've saved me the trouble of writing a response that you would completely ignore because it wouldn't fit with your prejudices!

Damnthatonestakentryanother2

For many posters the issue of single sex provision is nothing about trans people, gender conformity/non conformity or identity. It is about sexed bodies.

I would not want to get undressed or to sleep in a hospital ward, dormitory or prison etc. with a male bodied person. I would be happy to include female bodied trans people in these spaces.

What is so difficult to understand about this?

I think that requiring people to use facilities according to their sexed bodies is wrong. There should be alternative provision made available for trans people who would find this distressing. However, removing single sex provision/ provision according to sexed bodies is not an acceptable solution.

This is why we need main stream media to print these stories. Even articles in the Fail get a reasonable % of sensible GC comments.

Absolutely. Anyone registered where such articles are printed should take a minute or two to go and uprate the best comments. Hopefully, this will add to their willingness to publish.

spontaneousgiventime
I've been deleted as well but I can't remember what I said.
Just look back at some of your old posts.
Whatever it was, you are bound to have said it before.
No-one has said anything new on this subject for yonks.
Same old rubbish going round and round

massivelyouting
Damn your first sentence doesn't make sense. Sorry, yes, you are right. That's what comes of trying to keep up with a pile-on, I'm afraid.
Here's the gist of what I was trying to say:
I would like to see inciting hatred on the grounds of gender reassignment made a criminal offence.
It's already a criminal offence to incite hatred against people who have made the lifestyle choice to follow one religion rather tan another, so I think there is a strong case for applying similar protection to those who who suffer from gender incongruence.

massivelyouting
^And hate crime is already illegal and if you believe a crime committed against you is a transphobic hate crime then you are within your rights to seek to have it recorded as such.

Guidance here www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/sexual-orientation-and-transgender-identity-hate-crime/

So the law has no need to change in this aspect.^
Completely different thing. Pretty much any crime can be a hate crime if its is motivated by hate.
Inciting hatred is a specific offence (Public Order Act 1986 and Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006)

The problems people with gender reassignment are experiencing are due to extreme trans activism, those with no GRC pushing self-ID and making extraordinary demands that damage women and children. There was no problem for years women and transsexuals got along ok.

Now in Mexico you have the same problem, people can't tell who is who and the Guardian reported men are pretending to be trans and are taking political spaces intended for women.

Don't just congratulate the ManFridays , my understanding a number of old school stealth people with GRC,s have been meeting with a number of MP,s

working behind the scenes , as I have tried telling everyone these are decent folks , many I count as friends ,

and are more Anti - Self ID than anyone !

Absolutely. Anyone registered where such articles are printed should take a minute or two to go and uprate the best comments. Hopefully, this will add to their willingness to publish.

I've taken out subscriptions and registered with newspapers who do publish GC articles. I think it's vital to post the truth and not allow misconceptions to stand. The problem with the Fail is, half the time they don't publish comments and Guardian very rarely have open comments. The Times always do.

*Don't just congratulate the ManFridays , my understanding a number of old school stealth people with GRC,s have been meeting with a number of MP,s

working behind the scenes , as I have tried telling everyone these are decent folks , many I count as friends ,

and are more Anti - Self ID than anyone !*

That's fantastic.

When I first realised what was going on, there was very little media coverage. Now there's loads and so much of it is positive. #ManFriday have been at the forefront of this and it's brilliant. You never know what they'll do next and it's all done so politely and as said above with humour.