Ministers commit to preserving sex-based exemptions

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Open access link: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ministers-put-curbs-on-trans-rights-7zx2cbh2j?shareToken=71ea2e364a4682a6395af2056695238d

*spontaneousgiventime

post-ops like Debbie should have access.

No.*

Why do you selectively quote from an explanation of a post to make it sound like someone has made a definitive pro-access statement... which no one has?

"Do you respect my right to demand a natal woman to perform my smear test, or to give intimate care to an elderly relative?"

What do you mean by "natal woman"?

MillyTheKid seeing as the posters quote was in bold and my reply not, your whining is moot.

What do you mean by "natal woman"?

For fucks sake. Well, at least everyone reading this will see the utter batshit craziness at work here 🙄

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MillyTheKid seeing as the posters quote was in bold and my reply not, your whining is moot.*

I don't think so actually. You could easily have posted it with the rest of the sentence to give it context but you deliberately chose not to. Dishonest.

You want dead women's wombs implanted into non natal women people. You believe people like CJ who have fathered children are equal to infertile women

Has anyone asked males if they feel about donating their genitals to someone else?

Dishonest? OMFG that made me laugh. The entire post is on a public forum but because I only posted the part relevant to the reply I wanted to make I'm dishonest.

I think the sun has got some people today and we have a spate of people with sunstroke.

How can I tell if my cat is a natal cat? I know Snappity will tell me I should ask her, but I don't speak meow.

Kettle I have decided to remove the oxygen Snappity needs by posting the same reply. I refuse to be party to their brand of 'do as you're told'.

It's a good idea Spontaneous.

I know exactly what I want to say to Snappity.

But they know too and that's what they want, then they can look all righteous and superior.

I'd rather let them spout their twisted, disgusting bullshit for themselves and show their true colours.

ANYWAY. TO THE TOPIC OF THE THREAD.

I think the article is a step forward in terms of media framing - treating received wisdom as of course single sex exemptions need to be kept rather than oh my word, look at the latest fuss the feminazis are making.

But I agree that there is much more to be done in terms of actual constructive change in the way organisations and institutions and politicians are going about things.

Also, the tone of the comments is changing. Much less of the I love it when the lefties are eating themselves and more of Thank God, some perspective is being injected.

Sorry Lang.

I do think this is a good positive first step but no more than that. It still means that our spaces can be widely accessed and so the fight continues. Sex segregation should be the default position with people who present as opposite to their birth sex allowed in on a case by case basis.

Also, the tone of the comments is changing. Much less of the I love it when the lefties are eating themselves and more of Thank God, some perspective is being injected.

Yep. Lot of people have been wondering when sanity would reassert itself.

The writer is obviously an ally to women but it doesn't sound like much has changed legally. The EA has been around since 2010 and ministers are simply pledging it will not change (if it really is on the TRA hitlist). It still bothers me how services are to judge 'proportionate' and legitimate aim', which has led to confusion.

FortunateCookie
^Are you able to answer my questions Damn?
Do you think it is anti-trans to retain single sex services and spaces?
Do you have any problem with the single sex exemptions in the EqA?^
No, I can't answer your questions, because they make no sense!
There are no proposals to not "retain single sex services and spaces". There are no proposals to change the Equality Act, full stop — other than those being pushed for by the anti-trans lobby, seeking remove existing rights from trans people (especially transwomen)

No I don't have a GRC but I've helped people apply. I've also helped people apply for family visas, indefinite leave to remain, EEA permanent residence, citizenship ... and I've helped loads of people apply for disability benefits and then helped with the almost inevitable mandatory reconsiderations and appeals. I've helped a Windrush client to prove her right to be in the UK. I have a fair insight into the comparative costs and levels of bureaucracy involved in these processes. You don't know you're born. I found your comparison to Windrush particularly disgusting.

How strange that over the past few years of this debate I have never once heard the complaint that the information on the government website is inaccurate. Are GIRES wrong too? And the other trans orgs that produce guidance reiterating what it says on the government site? Why has nobody told them?

How strange that all the objections to the GRA in Miller's report were to do with the conditions as they are written and there is no mention of the GRP going off piste in the way you describe.

If the GRP are not abiding by the GRA then that is outrageous. Why aren't you out there challenging this instead of wasting your time here having a go at us?

Yep. Lot of people have been wondering when sanity would reassert itself.

Exactly. I know I'm maybe be clutching at a few straws but the overall understanding of what is happening does seem to be increasing. The next step is to get people to feel an obligation to do something.

"You mean phobe, we a call you phobes!"Yes I know you think I am a phobe, I shrug my shoulders. This is about women's rights.

In the words of Katy Perry

Throw your sticks and your stones,
Throw your bombs and your blows
But you're not gonna break my soul
This is the part of me
That you're never gonna ever take away from me, no

For that we need them to realize this nonsense will have an impact on them and their loved ones at some point. Thanks to the lovely Man Friday chaps for helping with that!

I do think this is a good positive first step but no more than that. It still means that our spaces can be widely accessed and so the fight continues. Sex segregation should be the default position with people who present as opposite to their birth sex allowed in on a case by case basis

So how is someone who "present opposite to their birth sex" supposed to proceed? If they want to use the loo do they need to send an application in a week in advance with medical evidence? No. Othering people is wrong. People definitely have an human right to know which toilets they can use. Case-by-case isn't just impractical it is really offensive.

For that we need them to realize this nonsense will have an impact on them and their loved ones at some point. Thanks to the lovely Man Friday chaps for helping with that!

Exactly. The size of the Man Friday contribution is absolutely huge. And all done with good humour, too.

Overall, I think this is a good article - THE ARTICLE IS THE TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, BY THE WAY - while it does a bit of pudding over-egging on what's been announced, it does represent a change in media framing.

"If the GRP are not abiding by the GRA then that is outrageous. Why aren't you out there challenging this instead of wasting your time here having a go at us?"

It will be fixed by Self-ID