Lisa Muggeridge Suspended by Twitter and Quoting her breaches MN Guidelines

[R0wantrees]

I posted news that another woman has been suspended by Twitter. This seems likely as a result of targetted mass reports

Lisa Muggeridge comments at idgeofreason.wordpress.com

& recently spoke at the Inconvenient Women: We Need to Talk meeting in London.

I posted the quote by Lisa because it concerns me that women are being silenced.

My background is English Literature so my style is to leave a writer's words for others to read for themselves.

There were a number of apparent attempts to derail the thread and so when this happened, I quoted further comment by Lisa Muggeridge. To let her words speak.

I believe in the importance of free speech.

I have many books on my bookshelf, which I am sure may have contentious comments in. I don't though believe that books are dangerous or should be burned.

I also read authors who had serious failings.

I wasn't advised that there was an issue with the OP but understand that within the quoted comment was misgendering.

I felt that it was not for me to edit Lisa Muggeridge's words.

objective observer

Of course you are

I don't agree with the deletion of the thread from mums net though I do the suspetion from twitter as the tweets seemed to just come from nowhere and I follow roz and she was quite suprised by the sudden attack at her for her tweets around other issues again there does seem to be a lot. Of this going after the person not the things they post at the moment. This again happens on both sides and I really wish it would stop

Lisa Muggeridge has been targeted and mass TRA-Twttter reported for a long time. She isn't the only person.

Twitter has been 'weaponised' by some, with the intention of 'no debate' and silencing women.

There are many threads and discussions about this:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3260432-The-Shame-of-Twitter

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3256163-Anyone-else-having-trouble-with-Twitter

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3262686-BBC-Report-Twitter-bans-women-against-trans-ideology-say-feminists

Venice Allen
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3259395-best-of-twitter
Miranda Yardley
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3258983-Miranda-Yardley-permanently-banned-from-Twitter
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3258453-Permanent-Ban-from-Twitter-for-Hate-Speech

Hope Lye
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3279656-Hope-Lye-suspended-from-Twitter

Mass Terf Blocks
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3200394-Calling-lawyers-and-data-protection-gurus

Attempted bullying of MN
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3241575-Mumsnet-Grass-Account

and it seems that shadowbanning is now being used to hush women up...

Roz Kav is unpleasant, offensive and goady.

There are few fearless women with a reach outside the GC bubble and Lisa is one of them. Those trying so very, very hard to paint it otherwise have it completely backwards. Unfortunately for them, Lisa's supposed Achilles heel - the refusal to do tribalism, the refusal to be polite - is actually her greatest strength. She's followed by as many men as women and by as many Tories as Labourites. And she's earned that by her sheer indefatigability. No amount of concern trolling can contain this actual, material reality.

One of the comments by Lisa that I quoted was in support and appreciation of Miranda Yardley. Its Ok to quote (well I think... Miranda would likely say it misgenders him)

Anyway, I think its relevent to the wider issues of how women are being silenced and the importance of not allowing this to happen:

"IstandwithMirandaYardley
#IstandwithMirandaYardley because while I was blindly trying to be inclusive at a cost of my own rights and those of my daughter, she was screaming that this was a mistake. #IstandwithMirandaYardley because standing up for my rights and those of my daughter has cost her dearly. And these are not rights she needs but she did so anyway.

#IstandwithMirandaYardley because she has been fearless and I call Miranda Yardley ‘she’ because even though she has told me repeatedly that she doesn’t expect that in my head she will always be a she. She is biologically male, and yet she is a she. She stands to gain NOTHING from losing everything to stand up for my rights and she still did so.

#IstandwithMirandaYardley and say thank you Miranda for waking us up. You will never know the debt we owe you. They hate you because we can win, they hate you because you have the acceptance of women and they hateyou because you have what they can never have, solidarity with women.

#IstandwithMirandaYardley cos she is brave, and she doesn’t care that she gets relentless shit and she takes that shit for my rights even though she gains nothing and possibly loses out in the backlash she knows as well as I do, is coming. And when that backlash comes, #IstandwithMirandaYardley and will fight for her rights as hard as she fought for mine. And my daughters. And my granddaughters."

Now heres. The thing about that, there are enough of you to also get people banned from twitter for the things they say but it does not happen you. Are going to say that's because only. You do it and we don't but I know thats. Not true as I have seen tweets by people trying to get people to report someone. So maybe it's due to the fact you at the end of the day have to say something that twitter deems offensive or target people. Any trans person that does. This should also be banned I'm not. One for the the punch a stuff it is never needed.

#IstandwithMirandaYardley cos she is brave, and she doesn’t care that she gets relentless shit and she takes that shit for my rights even though she gains nothing and possibly loses out in the backlash she knows as well as I do, is coming.

On the off chance you're reading, Miranda, I stand with you too. And with Lisa.

On the off chance you're reading, Miranda, I stand with you too. And with Lisa

Yes and also so grateful to them both & all here who have been standing up for a long time.

No bespin

It’s because we don’t report people and a small proportion of vocal activists uses blocker bots (illegal under GDPR) and mass reporting techniques to flood Twitter with reports.

There’s no equivalence here.

I have to thank you all for quoting and discussing bloggers and sites that are of interest (on both sides) as it allows me to further exercise my critical thinking,

Said exercise comes in very useful at the dinner table, especially when my 18 year old be-penised* offspring starts discussing his sociology A-Level theory on feminism and patriarchy. As he has also just sat exams in Politics and Philosophy you can see where the combination of youth, theory, a little knowledge and the penis ownership have somewhat entitled and informed his opinions.

It is also quite educative to come on here and see the exact same arguments presented in very similar language and style replicated on these boards. One would almost think that he was posting here himself!

I don't often go on twitter - it's too random for my brain to cope with but seeing how discussion is shaped and warped there kind of reinforces why I don't want to be there anyway.

*not sure whether I'm allowed to call him by the name we use for a adult male human dependant as I have never clarified how he identifies, however he allows me to use the male pronouns, so I am - on here

Phew hope that covers all bases on the what we can call people front

Exactly as bowl says - I've only reported stuff that's completely and utterly offensive and so far over the line, you can't even see the line in the distance. The common or garden offensive I leave standing - better for people to read the filth and abuse and come to their own conclusions.

I certainly don't join in organised pile-ons, but then I've rarely seen them from the feminist side, and again, only in the situation of grievous untruths

Bespin - your logic is as muddled as your sentence structure. Which is great as you make no sense whatsoever.

Carry on - it is excellent reading.

Miranda as a history of doxing individuals over years and there behaviour is nothing new they have been publishing peoples details online for a. Long time and once even posted pictures of. Themselves at the same place as someone else possibly as a form of intimidation/staking but thats all fine now as he as a group who will support him.

Though of course that is only. My personal opinion like the above posters view of ros or the last. Post about my sentience structure which is due to my phone putting full stops all the bloody time fucking auto correct but do carry on.

'A bad workman always blames his tools' as the saying goes.

The media & political narrative is still, like it or not, that each side is as bad/extreme as the other.

Unprovoked personal attacks on TRA’s don’t help, especially when said TRA has enough of a platform and plenty of high profile allies to play the professional victim.

I have to say to that I would be most uncomfortable identifying something as seriously problematic and then using the problematic thing to get 'even'.

Its not an effective resolution process.

(Have I mentioned that I recommend reading or re-reading 'Lord of the Flies?)

Unprovoked personal attacks on TRA’s don’t help,

They wouldn’t. However I do keep asking for examples of such things and keep getting tumbleweed, whereas a quick look shows rather a lot of attacks going the other way.

And yet the ‘both sides as bad as each other’ narrative is insisted on. How odd.

Hi bowl please see the post re the tweets by Lisa at roz earlier in the thread

I linked to the blog, which documented the thread that lead to her suspension.

It does look like LM was attempting to instigate an unsolicited pile-on. Happy to be proven wrong.

Bowlofbabelfish
This is why I think references to sources are so important.

For example, there were all sorts of edited videos, screenshots of tweets taken out of context being bounced around to 'prove' how women were
taking baseball bats to meetings to cause harm to people who were transgender, doxxing children, inciting rape and suicide etc etc

These falsities get passed aound, absorbed and believed as truth.

There is a website which unpicked some of these in recognition of the harm this does to to all people:

liesoftransactivists.com
(the site is apparently down for maintenence at the moment)

Can’t see them, what was said? was this a verbal criticism or a personal attack? From previous threads it seems like manybpeople can perhaps conflate the two? I will say again that robust criticism of a persons words or actions is not a personal attack

That was to bespin not rowan

The ‘both sides as bad as the other’ narrative is important to unpick. Visuals of men lining up against women don’t play well in the media, which I think is why ‘allies’ are sometimes sought for demonstrations to provide a human shield. It looks less threatening to have two groups of women face off than, say, a woman on a picket line vs a man dressed in combat gear with an attack dog. Or a group of masked activists blocking women from attending a meeting.

Because that kind of image gets stuck in your memory and really makes people dou t that both sides are in fact as bad as the other. Could it be, in fact, that the violence and threats are rather one sided?

BowlofBabelfish

I completely agree that the attacks/violence are one-sided from the TRA side.

I haven’t seen TRAs targeted at all online. Responding to Lily Madigan or Paris Lees being held up as a woman by the CLP or as a suffragette isn’t targeting. It’s a deservedly critical response.

What LM did was launched a seemingly unprovoked Twitter attack on Ros, followed up by a couple of blog pieces.

This then creates noise. Ros can claim (perhaps with justification) that LM launched into a shitty unprovoked Twitter attack.

Lisa’s blog doesn’t lead you to believe otherwise.

No it’s nowhere near as bad as masked activists punching women or bomb threats; nothing could justify what’s been happening, it’s just Lisa’s hands aren’t as clean as say, another ordinary woman who suddenly found herself banned for stating women don’t have penises.