Lisa Muggeridge Suspended by Twitter and Quoting her breaches MN Guidelines

[R0wantrees]

I posted news that another woman has been suspended by Twitter. This seems likely as a result of targetted mass reports

Lisa Muggeridge comments at idgeofreason.wordpress.com

& recently spoke at the Inconvenient Women: We Need to Talk meeting in London.

I posted the quote by Lisa because it concerns me that women are being silenced.

My background is English Literature so my style is to leave a writer's words for others to read for themselves.

There were a number of apparent attempts to derail the thread and so when this happened, I quoted further comment by Lisa Muggeridge. To let her words speak.

I believe in the importance of free speech.

I have many books on my bookshelf, which I am sure may have contentious comments in. I don't though believe that books are dangerous or should be burned.

I also read authors who had serious failings.

I wasn't advised that there was an issue with the OP but understand that within the quoted comment was misgendering.

I felt that it was not for me to edit Lisa Muggeridge's words.

Rowan

Bespin your refusal to understand that women don’t always have to debate or discuss with you - well, gosh, that’s looks awfully like a version of masculine privilege from where I’m standing.

You’re not always right, you know. Even if you’ve been brought up to think so.

@JuzzaL thanks - I must have mixed up Ms Muggeridge with another brilliant straightforward gender-critical Tweeter. Trying to think who - argh menopause brain. I used to be good with names ...

idgeofreason.wordpress.com/2018/06/19/record-thred-to-andrew-kaveney-putting-uk-violent-abusive-males-using-trans-rights-on-notice/

Provided links are allowed. She documented this herself. I looked at the other person’s feed to try to work out what had started this. It’s not clear. Have they deleted tweets?

So basically this is a thread for rowen to post the writing of Lisa and no one can comment on it well I will leave you all to it today.

This is appalling censorship and attempt to shut down debate.

By Mumsnet I mean for deleting the original thread. Obviously Twitter as well but I am talking about Mumsnet here. Thank you R0wantrees.

Why do you insist on talking about the woman who is the subject of the thread and not about meeeeee?

Please read the tread rowan wanted to discuss the issues around the quotes not Lisa and twitter please respect the op wishes. No hold on they didn't want to discuss the issues around to quotes it's about Lisa and twitter so carry on. Let's talk about the targeted harassment of people that Lisa is prone to like. The 20 tweets at roz or the other tweets towards other poeple that are no longer there as she is suspended due to targeted harassment of people we all know she does this people have acknowledged that they know she does this and wish that she didn't but you all seem to want to ignore that fact. Her writing on the whole is blunt but mostly makes her points without resorting to this but sometimes she does not seem to help herself and let's fly. This I feel undermines her position somewhat. It's like when you all do that to individual posters on here if you have to attack the poster not the post then maybe you don't have a point.

well I will leave you all to it today

Excellent. Thanks.

We want to talk about Lisa, the importance of her perspective, and why she - a genuinely marginalised, working class woman - has found herself the target of an extremely privileged, Oxbridge alumnus [of that particular subset of human beings that we don't currently have a mutually acceptable collective term for but we all know which subset that is] to the extent she is not only not allowed to speak herself but we are not allowed to discuss what she says.

Bespin
Please don't speak for me.

Please don't appropriate my intentions.

LangCleg
Have you watched the interview that Lisa did with the taxi driver?

link here:

twitter.com/chunkymark/status/611853894226997248?lang=en

Artist Taxi driver describes it, "Best interview ever"

Ah is see what you did there, this is all about making. It look like I exhibit what you persive to be male. Patterns of behaviour so. You can say look see a man. Oh hold. On I. Just spoke for you again didn't I by interpreting. Your intent in. Doing this we could play this game all day could. We not or. We could talk about the targeted tweets that Lisa does. On occasion send to people and for which she as been currently suspended. This in no. Way detracts from. The other writing. That she does which while. I. Don't. Agree with I don't. Find. Offensive and she can be articulate in. Presenting hee argument so it only. Highlights the use of those emails more when she does them..

Sorry that should be tweets

LM makes some good points in amongst her enormous output, but what her post illustrates is that she picks fights which gets people’s backs up and seem to turn nasty.

It’s not about being a good subsurvient little woman. I can’t see (and I am open to correction) what RK actually did to provoke that thread, which let’s be honest, is vicious. Did RK tweet something nasty at LM or write an article or what?

Even if you agree with the sentiment, it does seem, to use MN’s favourite word, ‘goady’.

There are several factors at play. One is the potential thread deletion because of links (rather woah), possibly quoted text from other sources (woah), but the one that bugs me, that thread was completely wiped off the face of the earth without a placeholder, to say it had even existed in the first place (massive woah). It is that last part that concerns me the most at the moment, given that all the other removed threads I have seen at least had their title - to say they were there in the first place. Deleting the thread entirely, without a trace, is "unthreading", complete erasure of herstory going on. Very concerning.

I also admire the comments of AngryBird:
"Or am I losing my mind?
I’m still quietly watching the gender wars unfolding on my Twitter feed. I don’t join in because it feels like arguing with a toddler who is adamant they haven’t seen the Easter egg, while shovelling Easter egg into their mouth. The gaslighting going on is so epic I would give it a standing ovation, if I wasn’t trying not to chew my own arms off with frustration.
I started this blog mainly to put all the thoughts clogging up my head onto paper, to stop me going mad and I’m astounded by how many people have found, shared and commented. Thank you all. So here is the second one on the madness that I see unfolding. (I would like to reiterate that I am not talking about genuine trans i.e. those who have a GRC and are struggling with crippling dysphoria. I see mostly solidarity from you and I know this current rhetoric hurts you as well).
If you think you’re going a bit mad watching trans activists trying to convince you that men can become women, don’t worry – that’s exactly what they are trying to achieve. There is a reason they always refuse to debate the issues – their arguments are built on the top of a house of cards and the slightest breeze brings the whole lot tumbling down. They try to silence the de-transitioners. If transwomen ARE women, how can people change their minds? It doesn’t make sense and they know this. They don’t want the truth out there. They shut down doctors’ voices, threaten venues where women are due to meet, get television stations to pull gender critical programmes. They know that they cannot define ‘woman’ in trans land without resorting to stereotypes. They are scared of hearing anything that shatters their fantasy, and will threaten violence to anyone saying the king is naked...." continues

angrybirdroar.wordpress.com/2018/04/17/or-am-i-losing-my-mind/

Have you watched the interview that Lisa did with the taxi driver?

I think she did three interviews with Mark in all! That's how I found Lisa and have been following her ever since.

At the time (pre peak you-know-what for me) I had been raging and raging about austerity and how it was hammering working class women, particularly mothers, from every angle, often placing them into impossible Catch-22 situations and finding nobody, anywhere, talking about it. Certainly none of the media feminists - they were all full of "not all women are breeders" crapola.

And suddenly, there was Lisa, pointing out the ways in which all the state institutions and third sector organisations supposed to provide security and safeguarding frameworks for these women were all busy making things exponentially worse for them instead. She was a breath of fresh air. Made me feel as though I wasn't going mad.

She only got to peak-you-know-what by applying exactly the same analysis to extremist transactivism as she had applied to austerity. She's not saying anything she hasn't always been saying - she's just applied her analysis with a wider net. And she is right. That's why she's such a threat. She's not a threat because she deadnames or misgenders, or because she swears, or because she tweets in a stream of (bolshy, working class) consciousness. She's a threat because she is right.

Lisa was target bombed because she is seen as a strong commentator who stands out and has principle (whether you agree or not). She was seen as a threat so taken out. Laci Green is hardly on twitter these days for falling fowl of the transborg and has just been targetted again. It is a silencing - no other views can be allowed. Personally I don’t mind the crazy rantings and threats of transborg being allowed to meander round twittosphere (or Mumsnet). Let the nonsense be seen.

LaSqrrl

Lisa wrote a comment 'Famous on Mumsnet' yesterday and put an embedded link to the thread discussing the importance of not allowing women to be silenced.

The embedded link is attached to her comment 'dies happy'

It now links to the thread deletion message.

Oh! I've just remembered! I had a mahousive row with Lisa once. Not about women or trans issues; something else entirely. Since we are cut from pretty much the same gobshite, working class cloth, it went a bit like this:

Lisa: loudmouth opinion.

Me: slags off Lisa with own loudmouth opinion

Lisa: slags off me (in true multiple goes at it Lisa style)

Me: slags off Lisa

A couple of days pass.

Lisa: I might have gone a bit far there.

Me: Also me.

Both: carry on as if it never happened.

Quite why this type of interaction means Lisa's words must never be heard is entirely beyond me.

LangCleg

Yes absolutely agree.

I watched the interviews a couple of months ago.

Really important analysis.

Don't you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? In the end we shall make thought-crime literally impossible, because there will be no words in which to express it. Every concept that can ever be needed will be expressed by eactly one word, with its meaning rigidly defined and all its subsidiary meanings rubbed out and forgotten. . . . The process will still be continuing long after you and I are dead. Every year fewer and fewer words, and the range of consciousness always a little smaller. Even now, of course, there's no reason or excuse for commiting thought-crime. It's merely a question of self-discipline, reality-control. But in the end there won't be any need even for that. . . . Has it ever occcured to you, Winston, that by the year 2050, at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we are having now?

Over breakfast this morning DH tells me there’s a case being brought to the European courts requesting that memes which are based on films/copyrighted images be banned. In turn I explained to him about the linguistic restrictions being sought by pressure groups to curtail women’s speech. A depressing breakfast.

What interesting times we live in.

No-one is claiming she shouldn’t be heard. But that if it was the RK thing which caused the suspension, to the objective observer it does rather look like she was trolling & picking a fight and one can see why what she said is construed as deliberately offensive, hence deletion from Twitter & Mumsnet.