Very basic, obvious examples of male privilege please?

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Examples every man will experience. Undeniable and obvious

I'm trying to make male privilege simple to a friend who feels us feminists have gone too far.

Thanks

A4710Rider
your stats on men being the ones most likely to be killed at work are because the US has a problem with health and safety, whereas in the UK we have a strong history of trade unions fighting for better conditions at work.
Is not female privilege if your workplace is dangerous because of shoddy conditions. Or because you 'traditionally' exclude women from certain jobs.

www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/08/07/deadliest-jobs-uk-much-pay/

Also, you've ignored prostitution, which has a high death rate. And its more dangerous to be a female civilian in a war zone than a male combatant.

Men dying at an earlier age is not female privilege.

Most of the 'examples' you give are not examples of female privilege. You really don't know what you're talking about.

@A4710Ride

1. 95% of all work place deaths are male because many of said males DON’T FOLLOW THE SAFETY PROCEDURES!!! And why? Because male privileges mean that they are used to doing as they damn well please and others cannot tell them what to do. Even when it is “Don’t smoke near the gas leaks”, “wear a hard hat”, “use the safety equipment”, “Don’t drink alcohol before operating this machine”.
2. See the answer above and also notice that a)less women smoke, less women abuse alcohol and less women are addicted to drugs. b) women don’t have to be herded to the doctor when they find lumps on their bodies. c) being grumpy and anti-social is bad for your health. More men than women are grumpy.

and seriously "what about men????". How would you feel if every time you tried to bring up a subject that was important to you, other people said "but what about issue whatever? The whatever is more important to me and therefore it is very rude of you to talk about any other issue than whatever! All attention in the world should be given to whatever!!! Shut up about other issues than whatever!!"

This is male privilege: that only your issue should be important and that you feel entitled to derail discussions about other issues to get them to talk about your issue instead! You are obviously only on Mumsnet to be dismissive to the other posters. Please leave and let us discuss matters that are important to us in peace.

What are the bad things that men do to each other in the work place that results in 95% more men dying than women?

In North America, where these stats often come from, construction workers use drugs and alcohol at an alarming rate. I worked in a homeless shelter, used as cheap accommodation for migrant construction workers, who would get good and fucking high on meth all night then go to work.

I never walk under a crane or scaffolding.

Note me working in homeless shelters, where 90% of the residents were male and 90% of the staff were female (except management of course, lots of men there). Women solving men's problems caused by other men, managed by men.

Haha yeh same with a window company for a window I was paying for . in my house . " do you want to check that's ok with your husband love "

What I think you guys miss is that things are changing and are changing quite quickly. This kind of attitude will be gone soon, it really will.

Both of my last two bosses, both excellent, both well respected for their work were female. It wasn't like that 15 years ago.

In North America, where these stats often come from, construction workers use drugs and alcohol at an alarming rate. I worked in a homeless shelter, used as cheap accommodation for migrant construction workers, who would get good and fucking high on meth all night then go to work

I gave the UK HSSE Stats. Link attached. You're being sexist by the way.

www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/pdf/fatalinjuries.pdf

I recently attended a construction h&s course where the person running the course asked who the most common trespassers on construction sites are. The man sat across from me (wearing a t-shirt saying "this shirt would look better on your bathroom floor") piped up with "Women! Heheheh"

Our QS, Danni, often has people surprised when they meet/talk to her having only been told her name, and they discover she's a Danielle rather than Daniel like they were expecting.

But yes, the only reason more women don't work in construction is because they just don't want to. Let's not think about the reasons why they might not want to

You're being sexist by the way.

Surely xenophobic, not sexist?

Bathroom floor? That should have said bedroom floor. Either way incredibly distasteful and sexist!

your stats on men being the ones most likely to be killed at work are because the US has a problem with health and safety

I used UK stats.

I'm sorry, you can't escape from the fact, not matter how it is dressed up, that men do more riskier jobs than women. Mainly because women choose not to do the riskier jobs. It's a female privilege.

A builder came round to quote a job. Hearing that I was separated from my exH, asked me if my dad was going to pay! I’m 47 this builder was younger than me.

Things aren’t changing.

boggle

Female reproduction is a privilege? With the pain, the torn flesh and the bleeding that (can) go along with it?

Surely not giving birth is a huge male privilege, we get to spread our genes without that potentially lethal event?

Surely xenophobic, not sexist

Implying that all men are blyth about safety precautions and using machinary whilst on drugs

Mainly because women choose not to do the riskier jobs. It's a female privilege.

Those construction jobs are paid at vastly higher rates than care work and retail, which equivalent women do. Is that female privilege too?

Things aren’t changing

Of course they are.

Those construction jobs are paid at vastly higher rates than care work and retail, which equivalent women do. Is that female privilege too

Many men do those jobs too.

Implying that all men are blyth [sic] about safety precautions and using machinary [sic] whilst on drugs

I literally saw them. With my girly eyes.

A4710Rider
Your argument is invalid until you provide
a) the sources for all stats you are posting
b) the reason why men are not able to choose the less risky jobs that are available to them.

The second point is weird because your argument appears to be purely "women are making safer choices". Men are free to choose less risky jobs, cleaning for example, or teaching, or driving, or gardening, or literally any other choice. The fact that they are not is not an example of anyones privilege.
You are aware that they are not FORCED into that trade, right?

More food ones.

I like rare steak. On ordering rare steak I have had raised eyebrows, been asked if I'm sure I want it rare, had the waiter repeat back to me "er...medium rare?", been given my steak and been told they can take it back and cook it a little longer if I like. My husband has none of this questioning and doubt when placing his order. Because men are meant to like bloody meat. I assume women's delicate constitutions are supposed to be unable to manage it.

Also, I have in the past been treated like some source of fascination for ordering a pint of real ale, or if I order a pint for myself and a soft drink for my husband every time the pint will be put in front of him and the soft drink in front of me. Fortunately with real ale and craft beer becoming more fashionable this is becoming less frequent.

Mainly because women choose not to do the riskier jobs. It's a female privilege.

Men are not being forced into choosing these riskier jobs. No one is out there herding men into construction. It is precisely that, their choice. As others have eloquently stated, the toxic male attitudes are more likely what is responsible for women choosing not to get into construction.

Ultimately, you have achieved what you clearly wanted here. You have derailed a thread discussing male privilege and made it about what you wanted to discuss. A perfect example of male privilege in action. Slow handclap.

Your argument is invalid until you provide
a) the sources for all stats you are posting
b) the reason why men are not able to choose the less risky jobs that are available to them

Construction Link and HSSE link already posted.

Men are able to chose what job they do, from hairdressing to making aircraft carriers.

You're argument against mine is invalid if you can't explain why 10% of the construction trade is female.

Men are not being forced into choosing these riskier jobs. No one is out there herding men into construction. It is precisely that, their choice. As others have eloquently stated, the toxic male attitudes are more likely what is responsible for women choosing not to get into construction

This is a myth, as seen by the link I posted the Construction Industry is desperate to employ more females.

Ultimately, you have achieved what you clearly wanted here. You have derailed a thread discussing male privilege and made it about what you wanted to discuss

I came in at page 8. I apologise, I'll let you go back to what you were doing.

“You're argument against mine is invalid if you can't explain why 10% of the construction trade is female.”

She doesn’t need to, the industry does loads of research and it’s all available on google... I’ll give you a hint though, it’s never choice.

A better question is, why are more women getting construction qualifications but it’s not translating into the same numbers of women employed in the industry?

A better question is, why are more women getting construction qualifications but it’s not translating into the same numbers of women employed in the industry

Do you have a link for that please?

This is a myth, as seen by the link I posted the Construction Industry is desperate to employ more females.

The management might be, but until writing "Carol [a worker on the site] is a fat slapper" on the lift hoardings and drawing sexual images on temporary surfaces stops on the site floor, women are going to leave or not join up in the first place. Even my male colleagues were unhappy at what they saw.

Meanwhile back on topic (which is that we, a group of women, wanted to talk about male privilege...) Yet another form of male privilege is the unassailable belief that you can muscle in on women's conversations, interrupt everything they were talking about and make it all about you.