Very basic, obvious examples of male privilege please?

[tigersox]

Examples every man will experience. Undeniable and obvious

I'm trying to make male privilege simple to a friend who feels us feminists have gone too far.

Thanks

@raign
Go away
You’re not adding anything here just pissing people off - which may or may not have been your intention anyway

There's no hooks to hang handbags on under bars - in Spain etc there're there - I went to a hair salon designed and outfitted by women and there they were! Yeah! Also nowhere to hang handbag in car.

It's like we don't exist....

Or alternatively, engage your brain before depositing your poorly thought out and unwanted comments on a forum that isn't intended for you.

Lecture over Cait?

@raign has made some very good points, and explained his point of view quite humbly and articulately, and has been attacked and vilified in response.

I want to learn more about racism. I think it's important. So I subscribe to blogs and read articles and connect with resources and listen and read.

What I don't do is go to racebaitr or Black Lives Matter and post long, long posts about how All Lives Matter and white people have struggles too and how if only black people were less hostile white people would move over.

That is not how one learns.

I also reflect. I got into a thing here with someone about Justin Trudeau and have reflected long and hard about my white privilege and how it affected my thoughts. Hopefully our visitor can do the same.

I'm the OP who began and I was asking for examples for someone male to read... I would have encouraged him to post his views himself. I think @Raign held similar views to the guy I was speaking to that for me it's been quite nice to see him engaging with the post reading through just now.

I wasn't aware of women not wanting men to post in feminism chat... is this a general rule across the boards that women would prefer not to have men discussing here?

Men post here all the time. And lots are welcome. It's a certain type of posting.

I'm a man, sorry. I just wanted to understand. Because I don't believe that women have it harder than men. Blah blah blah twenty paragraphs of nonsense later. That's just my thoughts. Discuss.

And then two seconds later another wall of text educating women why they, who have spent 30, 40, 50 years being women and analyzing this stuff, are wrong. Because the 20 yo male poster once spoke to a few women. I wouldn't go on a forum about quantum mechanics and tell them they are wrong because I've never seen a quark. But some men appear to think that feminists are stupid, and can't think good. And need men to properly analyse this stuff for them.

Another example, if you think about it, of male privilege. Expecting to be listened to and expecting to be right. I'm an expert in my field but I know that I will spend at least five minutes trying to convince any men I talk to that I actually know more than them. Men are assumed to know.

@tigersox "is this a general rule across the boards that women would prefer not to have men discussing here?

People that admit they are men or who are suspected of being male generally have a hard time here.

It's easier to use their gender to discredit them rather than engage with their opinions/arguments. It's a form of sexism/misandry

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MrsTerryPratchett has given a very good summary of the kind of thing that happens on this section all the time. Men are very welcome, if they can manage some basic manners and read/listen as much as they post.

@mrsterrypratchett
Well done
Completely agreed with how well you’ve put it

again @raign has a right to disagree with the assumptions being made about men. He has expressed his disagreement politely and clearly. He has added to the discussion. He is being ridiculed and dismissed rather than answered.

I actually think a lot of what he is saying is right

Male people generally defend other male people. It's something of a tell.

ridiculous

@Raign you just went on here and completely dominated the thread with long essays about you thoughts, your feelings and your opinions as a man. That is male entitlement. Now please stop posting here.

To those who think that male privilege has nothing to do with more men dying in the workplace. A study has shown that men are more willing to comprimise on safety in the workplace than women are:
www.quora.com/93-of-workplace-deaths-in-the-U-S-are-men-Men-are-more-likely-to-work-dangerous-jobs-How-can-we-reduce-this-number-to-a-more-sensible-level
The article says: "That being said the most effective way, in practice and until now, to reduce workplace deaths has been to have more women doing those jobs. Why? Man men have been sold that their worth is linked to their capacity to provide. As such men are often ready to compromise a lot of factors to get a better salary (personal safety, work balance, free time, bad environment, health, etc)."
In other words: WOMEN WORKING IN CONSTRUCTION DO NOT HAVE THE SAME DEATH RATES AS MEN WORKING IN CONSTRUCTION and it is NOT bloody sexist to point this out. It is a scientific fact!
Also see here: injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/4/2/94
And here: goodmenproject.com/featured-content/macho-men-die-early/

and also see this: The number one cause of women's death in the workplace is homicide. Yes, caused by men denverite.com/2016/06/30/homicide-leading-cause-workplace-death-women/

Male people generally defend other male people. It's something of a tell

you say I am male because I have read what a man has written and agree with a lot of it?

Do you actually believe that the human race is divided into two totally opposed homogenous groups, all men are the same and can be identified through what they type, and all women are totally identical and disagree with them?

most people just take individuals as individuals without making such complete sweeping assumptions about them.

You have just demonstrated how ridiculously sexist and prejudiced you are.

@Raign you just went on here and completely dominated the thread with long essays about you thoughts, your feelings and your opinions as a man. That is male entitlement. Now please stop posting here.

no it isn't.

it is one person answering questions and asking others, as is what happens in discussion. It is very nasty to say that as a male @raign is not welcome to join in the conversation and give us his point of view.

He was trying to understand what you are saying ( I have also been trying to understand what you are saying) he thinks you are wrong in some ways, so do I. He is saying so, and explaining why. How can he be told his point of view isn't valid.

That is plain bullying and a very clear and direct example of oppression

@fmsfms and @Clairetree1 men are welcome here when they do not come to the forum with the main purpose to derail the threads, dismiss the posters' opinions, display blatant male entitlement and in general write misogynistic crap.

“for example women would generally be looked down on if they decide to work in a garage or as an electrical engineer even though they're perfectly capable of doing so, men equally get looked down on in professions like childcare and caring roles even though we have the same capabilities to care about kids and the vulnerable”

Um.. men do not get looked down on in childcare, I’m involved in a childcare organisation and there are 6 women and 2 men working there... guess who always gets praised by parents? Now the 2 men are of course good at their job, but they’re no better than the women and in fact one of the men is still a trainee...

@mumminmum "A study has shown that men are more willing to comprimise on safety in the workplace than women are"

Oh goody, more victim blaming

@fmsfms not victim blaming. Scientific fact. People who are risk averse take less risks than people who are not risk averse.

@mumminmum
you just went on here and completely dominated the thread with long essays about you thoughts, your feelings and your opinions as a man. That is male entitlement. Now please stop posting here.

Very nicely put.