Trans rights supporters -can we please unite on the cervical cancer issue

[speakingwoman]

I’m very worried about the cervical cancer issue.
If you are an advocate of trans rights but believe that cancer research should address its screening calls to “women” please do say so here.

To everyone else, if this is going to fail can we just let it fail quietly please?

There are some things just as important as conflicts of rights, people not dying of undetected cervical cancer is one of these.

If I get any support I will write to Cancer Research.

Round of applause for bd67th.

I don’t want anyone to die of a gynaecological cancer if it can be avoided.

Having literally stood and watched my mother die, I don’t believe that anyone whose lives have been affected by these cancer would conclude anything else.

This isn’t about identity politics, it’s about saving lives.

Why not 'Women (including transmen and non-binary females)' or something along those lines?

So hang on, let me catch up:

Cancer Research have released some info about attending smear tests that only refers to people with cervices, is that right?

And the worry is that women whose first language is not English, or those of a low education for example may not clock this applies to them?

So the suggestion is to retain the references to a cervix but to also include the word woman; so "women and anyone with a cervix"?

If that's right then abso-bloody-lutely.

Your GP will still know your birth sex. But you have the right to change the official sex designation on your record.
www.bma.org.uk/advice/employment/gp-practices/service-provision/prescribing/gender-incongruence-in-primary-care

That doesn't mean HCP won't ever know. Transition is still flagged on an electronic record in terms of procedures, medication and history. GPs also disclose it in referrals where it is appropriate as part of the clinical background of the patient.

A phlebotomist does not need to know the original birth sex when taking blood. (If it is obvious they will know from seeing the person anyway).

If a radiologist wasn't provided with appropriate details about a trans man it indicates that healthcare needs to be improved for trans people and those HCPs require further training. There are many trans people campaigning for this.

Supermatch: we are talking about CR UK publicity materials.

The publicity should mention women only. This is risking women's lives. Men's feeling are apparently more important than women's lives.

No Pratchet - the publicity should mention 'women and anyone with a cervix'. Because Trans men's lives are as important as women's lives.

Pratchet there was a tangent about sex of medical records further up the thread that SMG is (I believe) responding to.

Sex ON medical records

Where screening/treatment for gynaecological cancers are concerned, being of the female sex at birth is always relevant, no?

Supermatch, over complicating the matter is going to put transfolk’s health at risk. It’s practically impossible to see the same GP regularly these days, so the only consistency of care is going to come about through accurate record taking and sharing.

Pratchet: yes we are. But some PPs started talking about sex designator on health records in general and the wider potential consequences.

People who have a cervix are women.

A woman is an adult female human, of the sex that gestates and bears young.

If you have another (non circular this time) definition, then post it.

To report this post for transphobia will be the ultimate controlling and predatory move. I'm screenshotting it.

If you disagree with this definition, post your own. Argue, rather than report and silence.

People who have a cervix are women.

Some people with cervices disagree with you; should they not be made aware of their being at risk of cervical cancer? Or must you remind them how stupid you think they're being before you find their lives worth saving?

I'm not reporting your post Pratchet. I hardly ever do.

I would however like to draw your attention, again, to the collaborative nature of OP's request.

@Pratchet, I'm inclined to agree with @Supermatchgame here. Transmen are even more likely to fail to attend screening than women, as females their welfare is in-scope for feminism, and this situation doesn't have to be a zero-sum game.

I'm with you op. Cervical cancer is so dangerous and so often caught late. There are very few transmen around and lots of women who need it spelling out very plainly that, generally speaking, if you are a woman of a certain age, you need to be tested.

What is wrong with women and transmen? That covers it.

The fault lies with those who have told them that the word 'woman' does not apply to them. Accept responsibility for what the trans movement has created.

Supermatchgame

Do you agree that all transwomen have a prostate? (To remove a healthy prostate would lead to urinary incontinence).

Transmen are even more likely to fail to attend screening than women

And if the route to improving that is to include them in documentation without erasing women then IMO it's worth doing to save lives. I'm aware of the view that we shouldn't support a belief at odds with physical reality, but I'm not going to put that above preventing deaths.

Doesn't the GP have to know natal sex anyway in order to interpret blood test results and all sorts of things like that? The reference ranges are going to be different, and even hormonal treatment isn't going to change all of that.

You are trying to claim victimhood, and blame feminists, for a situation entirely created by transactivism.

I agree that women and transmen who decide to keep their internal reproductive organs cover it.

Males do not have a cervix.

placemats most do yes. What's that got to do with this thread? I'm not continuing that discussion here.

Publicity material can say:
'This applies to everyone born female'

But transactivists have created a situation where males say they did not transition but were born female, that their penises are female. They have created a situation where females say they were born male.

Feminists did not create this problem and we can't fix it. Transactivists created this problem and they can fix it, by not putting their transactivism ahead of women's lives.

Women and anyone with a cervix.

Only women have cervixes. If you have a cervix, you are a woman. If you once had a cervix, you are a woman.