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Trans rights supporters -can we please unite on the cervical cancer issue

240 replies

speakingwoman · 17/06/2018 10:43

I’m very worried about the cervical cancer issue.
If you are an advocate of trans rights but believe that cancer research should address its screening calls to “women” please do say so here.

To everyone else, if this is going to fail can we just let it fail quietly please?

There are some things just as important as conflicts of rights, people not dying of undetected cervical cancer is one of these.

If I get any support I will write to Cancer Research.

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CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 17/06/2018 20:04

you cant attack people, personally and then expect us to support you when it suits you,we haven't forgotten clause 28 , and suspect many posters if they got rid of Transpeople, they would turn on us lesbians and gay men

You keep saying this. There are loads of lesbians here. They are the people you are throwing these accusations at. It is just not true. The posters here are the people who fought for equal rights for the LGB community and for equal rights in marriage. We are now fighting for women and girls. You have misunderstood what the issues here are and I suggest you take another look. Once you do I am sure that - as you are a solicitor - you will have the critical thinking skills to understand the arguments being made here whether you agree with them or not. Hmm

Original poster
speakingwoman · 17/06/2018 20:30

Well, I’m happy that no one objected to the term woman.

I will write to CRUK.

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LassWiADelicateAir · 17/06/2018 22:54

Ereshkigal

If the first time she discovers she has the rare medical condition that she has no uterus is at a smear test I think it would be money well spent.

I see you have quoted my deleted post.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 17/06/2018 22:57

Wait what???

That was deleted

What the fuck for!!!???

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 17/06/2018 22:57

Oh thats taking the absolute fucking piss

colouringinagain · 17/06/2018 22:58

I agree with you OP

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 17/06/2018 22:59

If the first time she discovers she has the rare medical condition that she has no uterus is at a smear test I think it would be money well spent.

What the hell is wrong with this??

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 17/06/2018 23:00

Its pretty much what about 4/5 of us said in crossposts

To be fair lass was a lot more succinct...

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 17/06/2018 23:03

Than me Blush

Oooh that looks bad

I'm in a bit of a temper....and i need to go to bed soon

Voice0fReason · 17/06/2018 23:18

It is irresponsible to remove the word 'woman' from this message.

Transmen are more likely to know they have a cervix than many vulnerable, poorly educated or low literacy women.

LassWiADelicateAir · 17/06/2018 23:21

I think it might be because I either quoted or repeated verbatim burpees' deleted post which I think had the banned 3 letter word starting with c in it.

If that is the reason I would have thought it obvious I was mocking burpees' silly post about time- wasting, non- cervix owning, that banned word, women

LassWiADelicateAir · 17/06/2018 23:23

Thanks Rufus.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 17/06/2018 23:54

lass got deleted Confused
What's the c word?

The new less comfortable FWR sigh

That link up thread was good Lass
& thank you to whoever posted about needing smear tests post hysterectomy- i didnt know that & my mother was most pissed off they keep asking her in...maybe there is a reason!

Beamur · 18/06/2018 00:02

I think the wording of the campaign will confuse more people than it will help.

LassWiADelicateAir · 18/06/2018 00:30

What's the c word?

Charlie India Sierra. I believe MNHQ agreed its use would merit a deletion.

It's quite funny, given I posted on here earlier criticising a post, which I found offensive, that there are time wasting trans women seeking to have smear tests.

BelaLug0si · 18/06/2018 00:34

This has been an interesting thread for me, some of you might be aware that I work in a cervical screening lab.
Couple of points:

  1. Post hysterectomy for cancer, the oncologist should advise the GP what follow up is required. The GP should cease the patient from bring called for screening as vault samples are outside cervical screening programme. People shouldn't still be getting the invite letters.
  2. The Macmillan leaflet about 'cervical' screening for post op trans women, where a de novo cervix is formed from glans inversion is news to me. Lab staff haven't had any training on this and not sure how we would deal with one of these samples. This is rather concerning.
  3. Transmen who retain a cervix do attend for screening but they patient has to be called by the GP practice as they are changed to male on the Exeter database. The result and recall (i.e. follow up) have to be dealt with by the practice as well (not through the central database). The database can't be changed to send for males as then all males would be invited for cervical screening.
BelaLug0si · 18/06/2018 00:38

@Waddlelikeapenguin your mother needs to check with her consultant what follow up she's supposed to have. It depends on several factors. If it turns out that she doesn't need vault samples then the GP should get her ceased from screening due to no cervix.

R0wantrees · 18/06/2018 00:45

BelaLug0si

I'm not sure of the reasons why it doesnt happen as you desribe in your first point, but its a really common issue.
Often women end up being a go between with oncology team to enable the GP practice to authorise the screening program to remove their name from the list!

Ereshkigal · 18/06/2018 00:51

That must be the case Lass, as you noted I quoted your perfectly reasonable post.

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 18/06/2018 01:10

@garam
It is crystal clear that the guidance is trying to cover everyone who needs a smear.

It really isn’t. Nearly half of the female patients I have worked with in over a decade in healthcare have no idea what a cervix is, where it is or what it is for. Many have no idea what a Pap smear is for and think it is a vagina swab despite full explanations before anything can take place. If you don’t make it explicitly clear that it is women of a specific age group then huge chunks of society will be missed out.

GardenGeek · 18/06/2018 01:21

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

CircleSquareCircleSquare · 18/06/2018 01:36

most transwomen are usually recorded as having had a hysterectomy when they transition so I am told

Who told you this? I have never once known this to be true in any NHS Trust.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 18/06/2018 03:47

@BelaLug0si thank you for sharing your knowledge Flowers

BelaLug0si · 18/06/2018 08:10

@R0wantrees lack of communication and/or understanding I'm afraid. Most of the units I work with have audited their GP discharge letters to check clinicians are giving the correct instructions. Unfortunately some clinicians don't give the correct follow up and some practices don't action the letters. We occasionally get phoned with queries why a patient's still being called and have to educate the practice that it's their responsibility to cease them.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 18/06/2018 08:40

ikewise, many feminists are affronted by the term ‘cis’ and ‘terf’, so using these terms will make civil debate less likely. As we’ve said, context is everything – but it’s likely that going forward our moderation team will delete these expressions

5 days ago it was ....context is everything and likely

I don't actually remember what the first half of lass post was but i doubt it was 'die cis bitches'