Spreading the idea that everyone has a gender identity

[Macareaux]

Mermaids has quite a reach. Influencing consumer groups.

The ease with which schools, workplaces and other organisations are being brainwashed is quite astounding

Nurturing and empathy are defined as feminine behaviours.

But it is unscientific to say that gender identity isn't a thing. It is an observable phenomenon

I'm left wing, this is as much to do with my genes as my upbringing. Left wing people have different brains to right wing people, something to do with the way we see threats and view new experiences.

You can make predictions about me based on my spoken assertion of my left wing identity because of shared characteristics which are true for a large majority of left wing people.

What predictions can we make about people with a woman gender identity? What are our shared characteristics?

@lurker Yes I'm doubting myself there a bit. It depends whether you define gender resisting/non conforming/ a gender as a gender identity. Maybe it isn't. What I was trying to say was that we are all forced to respond to gender. It's origin it 'without' but we experience it 'within'

@herfemaleness I seriously doubt being left or right wing is in our genes! And neither is gender. Innate - no. Observable- yes

That should have said "Its origin is 'without' but we experience it 'within'

How can we experience anything anywhere other than within?

AngryAttackKittens

Now you are giving me flashbacks of my inner monologue at Sunday school!

‘Jesus wants ME for a sunbeam? Does Jesus know how rubbish I’d be at it? I’m not remotely sunbeamish. He’d be making a dreadful mistake etc etc’

Our shared characteristics are a collection of stereotypes and we display them to a lesser or greater degree. Some not at all. But many women display feminine behaviours. Many men display masculine behaviours. And many of each feel that those stereotypes are part of their innate personalities and expect people of the other sex to differ to them by virtue of being the other sex

It's dishonest to try to deny the fetishes connected to MtF transgenderism NotTerf, when the AGPs leave such mountains of material lying about. However the lie works when people believe their heated denials without checking for themselves.

SarahCarer yes, I agree, we are forced to respond to gender. I don't see how anyone progressive can say forcing gender identities on people is a good thing.

Lets do away with forcing people into gender boxes and just let them act and dress in whatever way they like (normal caveats apply).

This is why I believe gender ideology is regressive.

Well true. But many many people think their gender is part of their own minds. So that's different from say the way they experience a rainbow

Here here lurker I'm with you 1000% but we have to start where people are.

age does actually exist as a material reality whereas gender is a social construction

Age is at least partly a social construct too, though harder to pin down since it manifests as a gradual transition between stages rather than clear divisions. Clear divisions are social/legal impositions, e.g. under 18 vs. over 18 is arbitrary though we'd all agree there are big differences between 12 and 24. Didn't Simone de Beauvoir also write about age? (Admits to not having read it)

There are some big issues around age identity, e.g. refugees who flee from a culture where age is not closely tracked to one where it is who then have to prove they are under 18.

Someone probably ought to have told Jesus that I was a goth!

Many shoot themselves in the foot.

Anyone in any doubt of the misogyny of a significant proportion of the MtF community should investigate the online communities in which posters make it all too plain that they identify as #transgirls/#girlslikeus because women are - or should be - a stereotypical fuck toy and that being, for example, subject to the kink "forced feminisation" is intrinsically degrading.

But AGP doesn't exist. LOL!

But many many people think their gender is part of their own minds.

In exactly the same way many people believe they have a soul. Doesn't mean they have one.

Can we get NY to add ‘Goth’ to the list of multiple protected gender identity, do you think? 🤓

I agree with BettyDuMonde "Those that believe, have it, and think it’s real and everyone who doesn’t is going ‘WTAF are you even on about?"

I don't understand the recent modern usage of the word identity and the phrase 'identify as'. I don't identify as things I just am them. I'm a woman because of my body.
I certainly would never have even considered the concept of having a gender identity left to my own devices.

So gender identity is like astrology.

Astrology divides up human characteristics into twelve groups, and some people identify as being a Pisces, start to behave in a more Piscean way and expect others to behave as Librans or whatever.

I just have too many complex relationships, personal problems, needs for growth and change and survival requirements to reduce my self concept down to describing or categorising myself in relation to masculinity or femininity.

"subculture" is already a protected characteristic in some ways though isn't it? Wasn't it made one after Sophie's murder?

Personally I would have categorised GNC under "subculture" in the same way goth is, if i were in charge...

The thing I keep coming back to is that the only thing that joins me to every other woman on the planet is my biology. This is true regardless of when or where I was born. Gender roles and expectations vary a lot. Sex doesn't. Woman is a reality. Like being a mare or a cow. Identifying as one when you're male doesn't even make sense.

This whole argument about how everyone/most people think they have a gender feels like an attempt to impose a framework that doesn't really fit. I'm not convinced that a lot of people buying into stereotypes means that they have a gender identity any more than people buying into stereotypes about their ethnic or cultural groups means that they have say an Italian identity.

SarahCarer I'm not sure you can say that many people think gender is part of their own minds. I expect the vast majority of the population have never really thought about it and automatically conflate sex with gender. That was certainly my position not that long ago.

If people do think that gender is part of their own minds, then I have no beef with that. If they wish to live constrained by the box they have put themselves in, then that is up to them. What I do object to is being told that I must do the same.

@herfemaleness I seriously doubt being left or right wing is in our genes! And neither is gender. Innate - no. Observable- yes

I did make a mistake, it was progressive/conservative. They're not always synonyms for left/right wing.

I was surprised too, but I think it makes more sense than being born as a blank slate.