Spreading the idea that everyone has a gender identity

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Mermaids has quite a reach. Influencing consumer groups.

The ease with which schools, workplaces and other organisations are being brainwashed is quite astounding

I read Langs post as referring to innate gender identity as a fiction, not the whole concept of gender as a social construct.

Lang I can't agree that gender is a fiction.

I read Langs post as referring to innate gender identity as a fiction, not the whole concept of gender as a social construct.

What Eresh said. I said gender identity (as defined by dualist genderism) is a religious fiction. Gender is a set of imposed socialised behaviours that disadvantage women. Gender exists - but it would be better if didn't - and gender identity does not.

So to be clear, the meaning of what I said was...

Human beings have sexes, personalities and socialised behaviours (some, but not all, of which we call gender).

Beach, Sarah and Lang, thanks for your clear explanations. I am learning a lot. It's pretty fucking obvious that gender is a hierarchy... but only once you have seen it. No one told me until here, recently. It's made a lot of things click into place for me.

No gender identity here either.

I agree with the poster above, it’s akin to religion. Those that believe, have it, and think it’s real and everyone who doesn’t is going ‘WTAF are you even on about?’

My sex is female. I don't have a gender identity. I really don't. Some people might feel they have. But I don't.

It's like being forced to go to church as a kid when you didn't believe, isn't it? And then some keen person starts going on about feeling the presence of the lord and you're standing there all "well this is awkward".

I agree that it's nonsense. The direction we should be promoting is that the old traditional roles were too restrictive and stereotyped. Be as male or as female as you want to be, you don't have to pick a side, because that 'side' would be partly stereotype / tradition / restriction.

I read a poster on here say that men, or people with physically male bodies, fgs need to be more inclusive of men who aren't typical in their sex. THAT would be a better answer. And women too, women need to be less critical of women who don't conform to the pressure to be hyper female.

You can be slightly male, you can be slightly female and we should all accept that. Promote that! Not this old fashioned notion of This is Female. This is Male. The two are clear cut. Pick one. Decide.

They spend forever telling us that our genitals aren't relevant while simultaneously deciding for us what is female. And what is male. IF our gentials and internal sex organs are so irrelevant than why do they encourage people to pick a side like this. Why is the message not ''be who you are, be what feels like you'' ? The message is pick a side from a small stereotyped selection of two.

@ounceofflounce, yes I agree with you so much. You said what I mean but you said it more succinctly!

Sexuality IS who you go to bed with though isn’t it?

Gender identity is the term narcissists use for the pathologising of personality in relation to gender roles, norms and traits imo. Gender is a social system, we are not innately our gender roles, and there are in fact no studies that challenge this(!), but also surely we as women know we don't have lady brains and our subjugated status isn't the natural order, i.e. we know that gender -i.e. feminine gender roles, norms and traits - are imposed on us due to being female along with the sex based oppression that comes with it. Because gender is imposed, none of our personalities reflects femininity and masculinity in any fixed sense, but those who pathologise personality give their personal sense of femininity and masculinity the mantle of a gender identity and deem this the meaningful difference between men and women, rather than, ya know, the actual difference between us - our sex - and the actual reality and function of gender, which is to uphold patriarchy.

"It's like being forced to go to church as a kid when you didn't believe, isn't it? And then some keen person starts going on about feeling the presence of the lord and you're standing there all "well this is awkward"."

🙌 yy

Gender is all made up. Of course I've been socialised as female but as a woman I find so much of the time I'm fighting against that socialisation
Gender is toxic for both sexes. The main issue is gender stereotyping and this trans ideology seems to encourage it
I understood gender to be masculine and feminine, like in French. It shouldn't be that I am "meant" to be feminine (whatever that is) because I'm a female. There are things that only females do but that's down to biology.

I'm with Beachcomber et al on this and the 2nd wavers.

Gender is a means of oppression and it cannot be chosen it's imposed.

I don't have a gender identity I have a sex and a personality like everyone else on the planet.

Spreading gender identity unquestioningly as a concept is dangerous quasi-religious pish imao.

@0lwen

Oh, to you right back.

Credit to all the posters on here who helped me form my thoughts though really.

Sexuality is who you go to bed with reminds me of this video. It's just a euphemism. And a bad one at that.

Well said Leyat.

The concept of "gender identity" is narcissistic and deluded. What these people have is, as you say, a personality and a desire to be non-compliant with some aspects of society imposed sex roles and stereotypes.

That is unless they have true sex dysphoria in which case they most likely have a mental health issue akin to anorexia.

The idea of 'gender identity' is very conservative. It's the idea that 'women naturally behave like this, men naturally behave like that'. It follows from this kind of reasoning that the two 'genders' are suited to different roles in life, with the female gender typically subordinate to the male.

TRA ideology spins this as progressive because male-bodied people are now co-opting the female gender (and vice versa). But it really isn't progressive at all; it's enforcing harmful stereotypes.

I'm at a loss to say why many transwomen identify as women. Not only are they physically male, but they tend to have very stereotypically male hobbies and jobs. So either they were socialised male or, according to their own beliefs, they have 'male brains'. Either way, there's nothing distinctively female about them.

"It's like being forced to go to church as a kid when you didn't believe, isn't it? And then some keen person starts going on about feeling the presence of the lord and you're standing there all "well this is awkward"."

If you don't believe and don't feel it, you don't, go in peace.

Male and Female are just two aspects of humanity

What the fecking feck does this even mean?

Biology decides which sex you are and society decides which gender you are.
Very true Beachcomber.

I am a gender abolitionist.

Yup, saying everyone has a gender identity is like saying everyone has a religion, it presupposes a belief that clearly cannot at all be presupposed.

And i have to say most men who say they are women that i have ever come across might outwardly perform femininity but are usually extremely masculine conforming in terms of their views and attitudes, particularly towards women.

I don't have a gender identity because they don't exist.

I do! I identify as a woman and with other women. I might be wrong about my gender identity, other people might not identify me the same way as I identify myself, but I can still have one.

Checks in knickers, finds female bits, assumes most people here will identify me the same way I identify myself, no problem.

The question of whether (or when) other people are obliged to identity me the same way I identify myself remains open.