Can human beings change sex?*

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Serious answers only please.
*With acknowledgement to Bowl, who has raised this so often. Apologies if this is repeating a thread from the past (?): in any case, maybe it's time for another thread with this title.

Please, no wordy arguments about how sex can be changed by legal instrument around the world, just answer the question posed.

@auntiebasil - I don't disagree. However, I notice that some here are against the legal fiction of Transpeople with a GRC.

I'm not even talking about self-ID in my example tbh.

However, I notice that some here are against the legal fiction of Transpeople with a GRC.

So? It's not illegal to disagree with poor legislation.

Puresummer. But I'm never in a position where the parents of a person will compromise my safety, dignity and opportunities.

No, not in the literal biological sense.

Puresummer in the same vain, nobody would claim that an adopted child was biologically the child of their adoptive parents. Or that it wouldn't be relevant to mention being adopted if a family medical history were needed at the doctors.

For most children the biological parent and the legal parent (who raises the child etc) are the same thing. When it isn't we know exactly what we mean.

No.

And what Bloodmagic and Bowlof said.

No of course not. "Sex" is shorthand for "reproductive sex".

So really the question is "can humans change their reproductive sex?"

No they cannot.

(And they can't change their gender either cos gender is a society imposed sex class/status. It is not an individual identity but a social construction fabricated in order to socialize human beings into sex roles according to the sociopolitical ideology of male supremacism.)

No, but they can alter their bodies to resemble their gender more closely.

No of course they can't change sex. Legal recognition of a chosen gender should not allow access to the spaces, places and opportunities aimed at a single sex.

No.

And people might think it's not worth saying, but very many children, and it would appear some adults, think you can. Think it's actually possible.

80-90% of transwomen retain their penis.

A neovagina is not a vagina and can't function as one. So no sex change is possible.

About 1% of of transpeople have a gender recognition certificate. So even the legal fiction is a minuscule number.

On how all this affects working-class women, one of the women interviewed in this article is Lucy McDonagh, co-founder of the Deptford People Project.

www.feministcurrent.com/2018/03/23/leftist-women-uk-refuse-accept-labours-attempts-silence-critiques-gender-identity/

SarahAr, you said Going with the dictionary definition of transgenderism as A state or condition in which a person's identity does not conform unambiguously to conventional ideas of male or female gender then transgenderism is not an ideology.

I am a woman, a female, have XX chromosomes etc. However, I do not conform to conventional ideas of 'female gender'. I do not wear make up, dresses or skirts, I hate shopping, I am good at maths, I have 'engineer' in my job title etc. This does not make me transgender. Hence believing it does is an ideology.

This is why I , and possibly a good deal of other women find the whole transgender ideology so insulting, as it implies that I am not a woman because I don't dress or act like a woman.

Let men act and dress in any way they like (normal caveats apply) and be proud to be MEN. Ditto with women who don't 'conform to conventional ideas on women'. Let them act and dress in any way they like (normal caveats apply) and be proud to be WOMEN.

For those with gender dysphoria I understand that may be a bit more complicated than that, but perhaps if society, and in particular MEN were more accepting of people that didn't conform to gender stereotypes (e.g. feminine men) then perhaps less people would see their bodies as the problem.

To avoid confusion, when I say woman and man I'm referring to the sex determined at conception, not gender. Its a sad state of affairs when I have to be explicit about what I'm referring to when I say man and women.

No.

Yes

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Jk!!
No.

No.

It's socially polite to pretend they can, but difficult to stay polite when people become abusive (and I think purposefully taking up resources intended to foster equality or offer protection to women is abusive).

I wish to fuck we had got rid of gender stereotypes by now. How did they get so entrenched again.

No, but they can alter their bodies to resemble their gender more closely

Gender is a spectrum, and exists independently of sexed bodies. I don’t know what you are talking about!

Not Yet.

A GRC is a gender recognition certificate- it recognizes gender. Gender is a social construct so I guess if we as a society say you can change your gender, you can.

Your sex is a biological reality- in mammals, this is determined by your chromosomes- you are XX (female) or XY (male) or in rare cases you have a chromosomal disorder and are intersex.

XX females have a womb, a vagina and a vulva. Baring medical conditions they will grow secondary sexual characteristics such as breasts following puberty.

XY males have a penis and testes. Baring medical conditions they will show secondary sexual characteristics such as facial hair and increased muscle mass.

Excluding people with intersex conditions, someone with XY chromosomes cannot naturally have female secondary sexual characteristics and visa versa. They can imitate some of them with the help of medical intervention such as artificial hormones and surgery, but they cannot have a fully functioning reproductive system of the other sex and cannot change their chromosomes.

Thus, homo sapiens (and other mammals) cannot change sex.

Not all animals have their sex determined by chromosomes- in some it is determined by the environmental conditions of the egg. Some species of animal are hermaphrodite. Some really do change sex, but their sex is determined in a different way to ours. Animals may have sex linked behaviours, but they do not have gender, so while a small number of animals can change sex, animals cannot change gender.

No.

No

Nope.

Nuh-uh.

No. Absolutely not.
And anyone who says they can or ‘Transwomen are real (biological) women’ is either delusional, lacking in basic understanding of biology or is indulgent/supportive of extremist trans ideology.
HTH.

Gender is a spectrum, and exists independently of sexed bodies. I don’t know what you are talking about!

You're right, I worded it badly. I guess what I meant was: no, a person can't change sex, but they can alter their body so that it more closely resembles the body that would be aligned to their gender.

In other words, no, a man cannot become a woman. He can, however, alter his body so that it more closely resembles a woman's body. It's not a woman's body and never will be - women are not castrated men - but it will look, on the outside, a bit more like one.

In the case of a trans woman, she already had the female gender if not the sex. Same goes - she cannot change her body into that of a woman, but she can alter it so that it looks, externally, a bit more like one. Might even be convincing enough to fool people.

NO