Woman's Place UK meeting threatened with "device"

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twitter.com/Hastings_police/status/1007627071122759681

What the actual f*ck?

I'm not so sure Clare. KA's tweet appeared to be warning that the device had been planted. He actually tweeted it to Hastings Police and in his first tweet said 'call 101'

Okay so you are suggesting it is a 'lone gunman' so to speak and is probably not connected to the existing propaganda and harassment campaign by trans activists against the same targets?

Do you condemn all threats and harassment of women who are meeting and organising for their rights, regardless of who is making them?

Unequivocal condemnation: see my first comment on this thread. It's on p5.

Yeah - like Elliot Rodgers was a lone wolf - not linked to the MRA/Incel movement at all....

This, like that, is violence against women. Unruly women, speaking about stuff, not doing as they're told, not being deferential enough to men - will not be tolerated, clearly. It's not the first attack against gc women.

"I wanna fuck up some terfs they're worse than fash" - remember? Followed by a court conviction for assault and battery against a woman.

Excellent :)

I don't know who KA is, whether the threat is serious or internet trolling, whether the bomb apparently found is related to this or not.

I do know that trans activists are repeatedly targetting every meeting, article, radio/tv interview, etc, where women try to speak about this topic with threats (of suicide, doxxing, etc) and propaganda accusing women of hate simply for wanting to have this conversation.

You said you are trans, ClareFlourish? Are you able to get together with other trans identifying people to makr it clear you distance yourselves from the actions of these hostile trans rights activists, that you do not want women silenced in your name?

This is not new (well the bomb thing is) I went to a radfem meeting (women only) about 6 or 8 years ago or something and it was threatened for being women only so they had to get a new venue and only tell where it was going to be on the day.

The reason that this works is due to a dynamic that would never be admitted to for obvious reasons -

Women are generally smaller than men, less likely to be violent, less likely to be experienced with getting in physical fights. We are experienced with being threatened by men, have aggressive men go on at us, and being assualted, a lot of us, that sort of thing goes on a lot. We are taught to be cautius of men.
A lot of women also take children expecially young children babies to these meetings.

So when men say they are going to be at the venue and are ready to be violent, it works well. Because the average woman does not want to get involved in confrontation and physical altercations while wearing their baby.

The bomb threats are not necessary. The threat of violence from men is enough.

I'm a coward in this myself. I'm disabled and middle aged. I've been punched in the face by a random man on the street before, I'm not in a hurry to do it again.

Yeh ToeToToe I'm not sure I believe that this person and TA's are unconnected either.

But they could be. This threat could just come from a misogynist Internet troll who has found a new way to intimidate women and cause chaos. Demonstrating for the nth time how even unintentionally trans activism does end up resulting in increased harassment violence and intimidation for women.

BBC news has its priorities all in hand

Juzza Is Jana the one who has been getting hell because posting about her personal experience of undergoing FGM is trans-exclusioary?

Yes, horribly attacked by Morgaine Ogre

Agree that being gender critical =/= radical feminism

I have seen and read a lot views by GC women that are very much not in line with radical feminism

It is fair to say that a lot of radical feminists are gender critical though. The GC group is MUCH larger though.

On the point abotu WTF at assuming someone's gender from a picture. That is the antithesis of everything I understood mainstream trans activism to want. And yet when it suits, trans people are the first to say "that person isn't trans" (i.e. when the person has done something they don't want to be associated with). This bomb threat person - they may be trans, they may have trans friends, they may hate GC women, or more likely women in general, possibly just "uppity" women i.e. the sort who don't roll over and say yes to anything they are told to do.

It's been mentioned already by multiple people that these meetings are often threatened by people who are or support the trans "side" in all of this. This is not new my any means it's just escalated a bit and can anyone say they are surprised? I can't, I'm not surprised at all.

Don't fall for it, I say. One vile tweet, and here you are, getting angry. I am on trans forums, where no-one is speaking on behalf of that horrible man.

Trolls want to radicalise debate on the Left. They want us fighting amongst ourselves.

For the women on this thread who have been aware of and following all this for years, it's not a surprise.

Threats of extreme violence on the net against GC women are standard - "die in a fire" being common, rape threats, threats against their children and so on. It was only a matter of time before these threats leached through into reality - we have already had a woman attacked in the UK and also threats to burn a building with a load of GC women in it.

Thing is that women know how much some men hate them and how far they are prepared oo go. From our own and our friends experiences, and from reading the news every day, we are well aware that there are a large minority of men out there who enjoy harming women, whether it's by committing sex offences, being threatening / aggressive, carrying out physical assaults. Women are atatcked and killed by men on a not infrequent basis.

When we are threatened by groups like this of course we take it seriosuly, experince tells us that threats of vioelence from men are often not idle.

Of course with a lot of this a bone of contention would be that a lot of the threats come from women. But women don't tend to make violent threats espeically rape threats at anything like the same rate as men. Also, women are generally not nearly as violent.I find it incredibly ironic when threats that are so essentially male in nature come from people who are making the threats because they say they are literally women. Because if they were literally women, they wouldn't be doing this, at least at not anything like the same rate, and would have much less chance of carrying them out (in the case of rape threats, in the UK, literally zero chance).

one vile tweet

really

ClareFlourish

If you are concerned about the damage done by videos online. I would draw your attention to the widely shared edited version of Anne Ruzylo's speech.
It is here in full but was deliberated edited by some TRAs to suggest she had said something she did not:

I try very hard to write accurately and so will usually write 'some TRAs'. I would though draw your attention to those within the transgender community who make sweeping statements about 'terfs' etc.

To be honest with you, I can't help but feel you are requiring a level of nuance and respect from posters here who are women when the equivilent level of nuance and respect is rarely seen (by me) from many within the transgender community or some of their most active allies.

ClareFlourish it is not one vile tweet.

It is the constant harassment and threats directed by trans activists at women who stand up for women's rights.

It is the constant demands to take up our spaces, to speak over our voices, to redefine our bodies, to rewrite our histories, to eliminate our boundaries, to indoctrinate our children, to dismantle our civil and legal rights, to censor our language, and to forcibly coerce our sexualities.

This latest threat on women meeting os just the latest heinous thing in a long long list of heinous things trans activists are doing to women. In your name.

Instead of telling women what we should think or say or feel about this, (and just who the fuck are you to do this btw?) how about berating trans activists about what they should be thinking or saying? They are the aggressors here.

Is it cowardice or misogyny that keeps you here?

Thanks Pratchet.

So, I googled MO. Loathsome individual

www.feministcurrent.com

Joan, I do berate trans activists. But there is no evidence that this twit is trans. Feminists generally get abuse on twitter, not just those particularly concerned with trans issues.

I am not telling anyone what to think, but if he is some random troll, you are falling for it. The left is fighting amongst ourselves. No-one benefits but the hard Right.

JoanSummers you are just fabulous. I want to "follow" you everywhere - if you can send me your twitter, facebook, blog etc I would love to read more of your acerbic wit.

Gender Critical people are not necessarily feminists TBH.

Plenty of GC people are not left wing either.

You don't have to be trans to be a transactivist?

The framing of this as nasty man is nasty to lefty feminists is misleading.

Nasty man is nasty to GC people (trans people attend these meetings and ? men too) for who knows what reason. Guessing that it has NOTHING to do with trans when a. the meeting is a WP one and b. he referenced man friday is a ludicrous stretch.

I have family and friends of both sexes who are not feminists but still got peak-transed when they heard about Scotrail sleepers, girl guides, youth hostels, etc.