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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman's Place UK meeting threatened with "device"

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hungryhippie · 15/06/2018 15:32

twitter.com/Hastings_police/status/1007627071122759681

What the actual f*ck?

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ALittleBitofVitriol · 18/06/2018 21:46

antihero1

Awww bless. We know the stats dear, we don't believe you.

In Feminism, we give females a voice. Females - of the sex caste that has potential to produce ova and birth live young. In english we call the adults Women.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 18/06/2018 21:47

Darn too slow! Halo

TheCunkOfPhilomena · 18/06/2018 22:06

iseveryusername It's bloody frustrating that we have to plan things this way but we're working with the police and they have all the relevant information.

ClareFlourish · 18/06/2018 22:33

I am surprised anyone here likes Sillyolme. Most gender critical feminists I know personally dislike those theories which say that men and women's brains are different, and [some] trans women have women's brains like other women. That's Sillyolme's usual blogging subject. She has a sideline on how she thinks trans women attracted to men, like her, are different from trans women attracted to women. I think she thinks if those attracted to women all went away, the ones attracted to men would be welcomed in all women's spaces and not suffer any prejudice from anyone at all, or something like that. Perhaps she has found some people who prefer the "androphiles" to the "gynephiles", or think the androphiles are in some way "real" trans women but the gynephiles aren't, but I don't think there are many such people.

LangCleg · 18/06/2018 22:38

I like Sillyolme for one thing at least: only arrived on this thread due to its linking to their blog and did not spend time trying to deflect from its topic: terrorist bomb threats made towards non-compliant women. Because deflecting from that topic would be vile behaviour, don't you think?

Iseveryusernamealreadytaken · 18/06/2018 22:41

It's bloody frustrating that we have to plan things this way but we're working with the police and they have all the relevant information.

Good. I hope they are taking this seriously. Hopefully Sussex Police are better than the likes of West Yorkshire.

AnotherQuoll · 18/06/2018 23:04

Interesting. Being surprised that people can like someone despite disagreeing on certain issues, really does give insight into the way you approach these issues, ClareFlourish. Handy hint for interacting with people- People can dislike some of your ideas without disliking you as a person. Disagreement does not equal hate.

Southfields · 18/06/2018 23:22

Chris Kingsland turned out to be a local self employed management consultant type of bloke, aged about 50, bearded, powerful looking and not remotely trans. He is gay and lives with a man similar to himself, who is also not trans.

These are the people threatening violence to women attending a small peaceful meeting in a small seaside town.

Why are they so utterly enraged when they aren't even trans?

What's going on here?

VariousDisabilities · 18/06/2018 23:26

Confused I guess we'll never know, it's not like anyone will do anything to him.

Southfields · 18/06/2018 23:28

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FermatsTheorem · 18/06/2018 23:48

That twitter exchange...

Kingsland: I'm pretty confident it will be stopped before it starts. - I said to Tariq - otherwise I couldn't cope with all that jail time for the GBH. (smiley face)

Adrie: Chris Kingsland What jail time?! (smiley face)

So basically, one bloke joking about committing GBH against women, and another bloke (who is, let us remember, a Labour party official) crowing over the fact that a third biologically male individual punched a 60 year old woman in the face and got away with only a suspended sentence.

All this is apparently perfectly fine on twitter.

Yet twitter bans women for using the wrong pronouns.

The world has gone completely fucking mad.

VariousDisabilities · 18/06/2018 23:56

It seems perfectly fine to behave like that now, what a world we live in.

Datun · 19/06/2018 00:38

Sillyolme isn't the only one to make a distinction between androphillic TW and gynephellic TW (i hope I've spelt that right), ClaireFlourish.

It's a fairly well established opinion that the latter are more likely AGP and should be considered entirely separate to those without.

thebewilderness · 19/06/2018 03:18

How far do you want to roll our rights back?

I think you are perfectly aware of the difference between rights and privileges.

Sillyolme · 19/06/2018 05:46

I saw several comments directed at me... it's been a very long day... No, I was not woken up... I had simply gotten up early in the morning when it was your afternoon. UK is seven hours ahead of California.

Datun, spelling a little off... but close enough. Although one could never prove that every single gynephilic transwoman is also AGP... the number is provably close to 100%. The flip assertion is harder to determine because so many AGPs develop pseudo-androphilia in which their AGP ideation includes behavioral and interpersonal autogynephilic fantasies of being a woman having sex (or other sexual / romantic interactions) with men... thus they will CLAIM to be androphilic. But statistically, the more certain that we have removed more and more of the pseudo-androphiles (by, for example, limiting the sample to only teenagers... or at least had socially transitioned as teenagers as AGPs don't as a general rule transition so young... but a bit over half of the androphiles do... I transitioned in late high school... not sure how that translates to UK school... "A levels"??? 17 years old... would have been even earlier but family fought me like crazy and made my life hell...)

Someone mentioned about he issue of AGPs claiming that autogynephilia is just "normal female sexuality"... Goddess... I can't even begin to tell you how many times I've had to debunk that BS ! So, here's a couple links to my essays on the matter:

sillyolme.wordpress.com/2017/04/03/here-be-dragons/

sillyolme.wordpress.com/2010/01/05/the-gostak-distims-the-doshes/

Hope this give you talking points when needed...

Sillyolme · 19/06/2018 06:10

ClairFlourish, you have completely misrepresented my personal position. I support the right of gynephilic transwomen to seek those medical services that they need to reduce their gender dysphoria. When I about this topic on my blog I am writing about what is now well established by the science. As to the brain research, that too is complicated.. in that androphilic transfolk show SHIFTS toward female brain morphologies. But if you had read my blog in its entirety you will note that I agree with Cordelia fine that sexually dimorphic structures do NOT mean differences in one's MIND. What we do know is that sexually dimorphic structures correlate with sexual orientation and certain sexually dimorphic behaviors around reproduction and EARLY child rearing. (As a child grows older, both parents have very similar behaviors... something rarely found in primates save for humans, lemurs, and maqacques.) My reasons for writing about the science is both a personal interest in the subject and a political one... given that there really ARE two types (as has been VERY well documented and known for decades) of transwomen, one of them is politically overshadowed by the other, voices silenced or even replaced by the other:

transkids.us (note, while I am now keeping this website on the internet... I didn't initiate it... but I was asked to write for it several years later... I began writing my blog at the specific request of the others... because I knew the science and the history.

As to whether non-transfolk find one type verses the other as more acceptable... it has been my experience that because hardly anyone knows the difference anyways that it hasn't made a difference to the public at large. However, on a personal basis... I've found that many AGPs rub lesbians the wrong way... but except for notable transphobic lesbians on the internet, I personally get along famously with them. Did I mention that today was a long day? That was because I traveled from my home in California's wine country down to Silicon Valley to conduct due dilligence for a Venture Capital fund that focusses on women led companies. I interviewed a woman CEO of a high tech company today... at the behest of the senior partner of the VC fund who is herself a lesbian feminist... and yes, she and I have been friends for 15 years at least and though we've never had much discussions about it (not that important when one is running a business of making money!) she does know of my medical history.

Apologies to everyone else...

I didn't intend this to be a thread hijack... but did feel compelled to answer these scurrilous charges.

thebewilderness · 19/06/2018 06:12

You both have blogs. If you want to have a blog war you know how it is done.
This is not the place for it.

Pratchet · 19/06/2018 09:24

Agree bewilderness

LaSqrrl · 19/06/2018 10:40

Never truer words spoken Datun

It tallies with the lack of understanding of how women are actually treated.

One wonders whether they have ever seen an actual woman sometimes.

Weezol · 19/06/2018 14:00

Clare I don't want to roll back your rights. I would like you to respect the rights of women who are gender critical or otherwise distrustful of the extremist TRA agenda.

Bomb threats are an act of terrorism. This and another act of terrorism were directed at WPUK. I think it would be wise to direct your energies at those appropriating the trans movement - I'd suggest they are our common foe.

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