Woman's Place UK meeting threatened with "device"

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twitter.com/Hastings_police/status/1007627071122759681

What the actual f*ck?

@Pratchet

start a site stuff thread

Done:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/3279637-Statement-in-support-of-women-threatened-with-a-device-for-speaking

Kettlepotblackagain: "Do you agree it is up to you and those within your community to fight back against this? Are you directly fighting it and standing with us to stop the abuse and violence?"

I condemned the person who assaulted Maria MacLachlan, publicly and on trans forums. I am doing some work towards dialogue between gender critical feminists and trans people, though little has come of that as yet. I condemn that assault, and the bomb threat, here; but no, I don't think it is our responsibility to fight back against some bomb threat by someone who is not trans. However prominent the trans woman, I doubt the Times would print her condemnation of this, though they print trivial stories to make us look bad.

R0wantrees: "We are all required to take responsibilty for what we do and say. I also think we have a responsibility to think clearly about things and consider the consequences our actions may have on others."

Indeed, and posting videos on Youtube which claim that trans women are a threat may have the consequence of violence against trans women. I do not incite violence, and I do not spread hatred of anyone.

Please don't write of "TIMs" and "TRAs" as if we were all one cohesive bloc, and all collectively responsible. We are individuals. The assault was by one trans woman, one individual. The bomb threat is by Keem Arkwright, who does not look trans from his twitter: twitter.com/kfcwigger

The assault was by one trans woman, one individual. The bomb threat is by Keem Arkwright, who does not look trans from his twitter

Who are you to say whether someone looks trans or not? Why have you chosen to use the he pronoun when we do not know yet whether this person identifies as male or female or something else?

I wont report your post this time but please check your transphobia in the future ClareFlourish.

I agree, it's not fair to make snap judgments about the self identity of the person making the Twitter bomb threat.

I doubt MNHQ need the grief of another reported post nor does this thread need to lose debate from an opposing view.

Yesterday, Sussex Police released a statement that bomb making equipment was found in a house in Hastings.

This means that maybe the tweet was not a threat but a genuine warning that the local TRA are indeed planning a bomb.

Maybe it was when the police questioned the tweeter that they were led to the address? Why else did the police suddenly out of the blue decide to raid a specific house in Hastings?

Thank you, @PointlessTV. How should I put it? Is there anything to suggest that Keem Arkwright is trans, beyond hostility to some feminists? Are trans people the only people who are ever hostile to feminists?

Clare, here we are in a situation where we are struggling with language, who asked for language to be changed and restricted?

@Southfields any other group and this would be national headline news.

Trans activists have targetted Woman's Place UK constantly since they formed and have harassed WPUK venues, and intimidated and threatened WPUK attendees and speakers with doxxing among other things.

I don't know of any other group that has been targetting WPUK, or #ManFriday. Do you?

PointlessTV, gender critical feminists object to the terms "TERF" and "cis". Trans women object to the term TIM- Trans identified male.

Groups can choose their own identifiers. What's wrong with "trans women"? Others have pointed out a guinea-pig is not a pig; "Trans women". One cause of offence removed. Where's the problem? Removing offence makes debate easier.

not a good look to insist this this is not to do with trans extremism

Guinea pigs are not forcing their way into actual pigs homes demanding a share of all pigs' space, to speak on behalf of pigs, or for pigs to have sex with them.

There are no examples t(o my knowledge!) of guinea pig on pig violence, particularly sexual violence. Guinea pigs are not demanding that pigs start calling themselves cis-pigs.

So, the relationship of guinea pigs to actual pigs is clearly not analogous to the relationship between female people and non-female people.

Applauding JoanSummers as always

There is a spectrum of pigs though Joan - from the people of Papa New Guinea, through to Moonpig.com. Just be careful.

Pigs are bigger and stronger than guinea pigs. If pigs were pushing around and threatening guinea pigs would you think it was fair?

On the contrary, Pratchet: a bomb threat, whether there is a "device" or not, is so serious that you should not ascribe it to a particular group without clear evidence. Given that lots of people are hostile to radical feminists, to pick on trans women as the responsible parties is inciting hatred.

Most people can distinguish between, say, Irish Catholics and the IRA. Most Irish Catholics were not responsible for IRA violence.

As for women's space, we are already there. I have been welcomed in women's spaces since I transitioned more than ten years ago.

Guinea pigs are rodents, I'm not sure if ClareFlourish took that into account when trying to make a connection? Definitely walking a fine line on transphobia there again Claire, you can't just go round comparing trans identifying people to rodents

ClareFlourish - the bomb threat stated it was in retaliation for the Hampstead Pool action by ManFriday - which was to raise awareness of the impact of Self ID - so definitely related to transactivism.

I'm not ascribing it to any group: I'm saying trans-inspired extremism has spread hate and bigotry about Woman's Place. There is no other movement that has targeted a Woman's Place.

Legally I will not say any more. I think it might be contempt.

If you want to place yourself in that group, that's your choice. I don't think all trans people are trans extremists. I do think trans people should look at what's going on and join the chorus of unequivocal condemnation. You don't have to. But if you don't, I will judge you.

WPUK and #ManFriday are not radical feminist organisations ClareFlourish.

I don't think anyone did accuse "trans women" specifically of this threat did they? Trans activists on the other hand, as I said before have been targetting both WPUK and #ManFriday with all manner of threats and propaganda since both groups began. I don't know of any other group that has been targetting either of them, do you?

I find it really odd that you are accusing women of "inciting hatred" against trans identifying people simply for noticing which group of people (trans activists) has been persistently harassing and threatening us. Especially since you ClareFlourish are the one pronoun-ing people without checking their gender first and comparing trans identifying people to rodents

Joan, I am delighted you find the line about guinea-pigs transphobic, and hope you will point that out to anyone who uses it.

@Southfields, I really hope the reported potentially explosive materials found in St Leonards are not linked to this meeting.

I suspect we won't ever know
Ssshhh
Perhaps it's a woman's fault for breaking up with someone

I haven't seen anyone else compare guinea pigs to trans identifying people, ClareFlourish. Just you. I didn't say it easy transphobic, I said you were walking a fine line on transphobia given that comparison and you're attempted forced-gendering of the terrorist who warned they were placing a device at a WPUK meeting.

Have you found anyone else to pin this on yet btw?

Ugh I hate my phone's auto correcting, hope you can get past the couple of autocorrect mistakes in my post as easily as you can get past the consistent and persistent threats trans activists make towards women on your behalf ClareFlourish.

I reported this thread to MNHQ yesterday evening to point out the possible J4nice connection. MNHQ responded very quickly (27 minutes) and said they were checking it out immediately.

Who to pin it on? Keem Arkwright, I think. I don't see any link to anyone else.