Woman's Place UK meeting threatened with "device"

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twitter.com/Hastings_police/status/1007627071122759681

What the actual f*ck?

*Isn't Clare allowed to call WPUK transphobic if she wants - seeing as she is trans?

You may not agree with her - but she is trans and is allowed to call people transphobic.*

I've written several things underneath this and keep deleting them.

I am simply losing the will.

You may not agree with her - but she is trans and is allowed to call people transphobic.

Depends, does the definition of transphobic change depending on the accuser?

I haven't seen the AWP videos - but I do agree with their aims as has been stated.

I did watch one of the We need to talk videos - and that was a very difficult watch.

Clare could you please answer my question about debate?

If you are going to start debate through the lens that we are all transphobic, how can you have a meaningful debate?

But why would Clare want to discuss anything with those she views as transphobes?

Especially so soon after such a well-publicised change in Mumsnet posting guidelines?

Depends, does the definition of transphobic change depending on the accuser

Does the definition of racism, sexism, homophobia, ageism, disablism change depending on the accuser?

Kettlepotblackagain so have I

ClareFlourish & yetanothertranswoman

You might read WPUK's recent statement in response to allegations and accusations of 'transphobia, inciting moral panic and hate speech' etc

(extracts)
"We are not anti-Trans and we do not campaign against Trans rights. We campaign for women’s rights as they exist under the law, and with an expectation that any proposed change to the law must take women’s rights into account.

We work with a number of Trans people: Trans women who support our campaign have spoken from the platform and Trans people, as well as those who have detransitioned, have attended in the audience and spoken both from the platform and as part of Q&A sections of our meetings.

The implication is that Woman’s Place UK is behaving in a bigoted and discriminatory way. There is no evidence given for this because it simply isn’t true

The accusation that Woman’s Place UK provides a platform for hate speech is also entirely without substance and we believe to be defamatory.

We do not tolerate hate speech.

We have been shocked and depressed at the keen enthusiasm with which so many people are content to see women demonised, harassed, abused, threatened and assaulted simply for asking questions or asserting their rights.

Sadly, Woman’s Place UK members have become used to being misrepresented and slurred. At times, we have to had to seek legal advice and take legal action in defence of our reputations. It shouldn’t be this way.

Women have a right to speak out, to organise and to campaign for their rights. That is all Woman’s Place UK has been doing.

And, regardless of the slurs and hate directed at us, we intend to carry on."

womansplaceuk.org/womans-place-bristol-university/

You may not agree with her - but she is trans and is allowed to call people transphobic.

You are going to have to decide if AGPs are transgender or not.
One day transgender advocates say they are and another day not.
If we speak to AGPs being included under the T umbrella we are told they are not included under the law.

You are going to have to decide if AGPs are transgender or not

No, I don't.

Isn't Clare allowed to call WPUK transphobic if she wants - seeing as she is trans?

You may not agree with her - but she is trans and is allowed to call people transphobic.

Allowed by whom? Is name calling and false allegations suddenly OK as long as the person doing it claims to be trans?
Do you hear yourself?

You are going to have to decide if AGPs are transgender or not

No, I don't.
You already did by claiming this self declared AGP is trans, and so therefore is "allowed" license to verbally abuse women.

'You may not agree with her - but she is trans and is allowed to call people transphobic'

I am female. Does that mean I can call people gynephobic without any evidence too?

I do not bandy accusations, I justify them. Pilgrim Tucker's video remains on the A Woman's Place UK Youtube channel. It makes false statements about the proposed changes to the law, and attempts to foment fear against trans people. Fear of trans people is the definition of transphobic. If AWP is not transphobic, it should not be peddling misinformation.

twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK/status/1007913980831174656

Allowed by whom? Is name calling and false allegations suddenly OK as long as the person doing it claims to be trans

Do you hear yourself

She thinks it's transphobic. Just like there are gay people out there who say something is homophobic - and other people who then say that things aren't homophobic.

You seem to be telling trans people that they aren't allowed to call something transphobic because you, as someone who isn't trans, doesn't think it is transphobic?

Does that mean I can call people gynephobic without any evidence too

She has her evidence. You may disagree with it.

And yes, if you think something is gynephobic, then call it out. And back it up with evidence. I am sure Clare would be willing to debate her views with you.

Of course I am a trans woman, I transitioned more than ten years ago. As for AGP, it is misconceived. Google "Female Embodiment fantasies" for the explanation. And, of course, trans people have different views about this.

Fear of trans people is the definition of transphobic

No, it isn't. Unreasoned fear is a phobia.
Given the dead woman count and all I gotta say that women's fear of the opposite sex is perfectly reasonable.

I am sure Clare would be willing to debate her views with you.

You are on the derailed thread where they used the no true Scotsman fallacy on the matter of a bomb threat against people they refer to as transphobic to claim it was not a trans person making the threat with no evidence whatsoever. Why would anyone want to discuss anything with them?

Given the dead woman count and all I gotta say that women's fear of the opposite sex is perfectly reasonable

Are you saying that women should be afraid of trans people because of the the dead women count - when most women are killed by men known to them?

I think most people would consider calling women transphobic a personal attack, and a violation of talk guidelines.

No personal attacks
No posts that break the law
No trolling, misleading or deliberately inflammatory behaviour
No trollhunting
No spamming

yetanother
just read what thebewilderness wrote:
"women's fear of the opposite sex is perfectly reasonable"

Who are you talking about when you say trans people?
I am not afraid of females, nor most males. Just the ones who threaten to kill me and the ones who have assaulted me.

I am saying that the female half of the population's fear of the male half of the population is not unreasonable.

That blog

You are on the derailed thread where they used the no true Scotsman fallacy on the matter of a bomb threat against people they refer to as transphobic to claim it was not a trans person making the threat with no evidence whatsoever. Why would anyone want to discuss anything with them?

Agreed.