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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Woman's Place UK meeting threatened with "device"

572 replies

hungryhippie · 15/06/2018 15:32

twitter.com/Hastings_police/status/1007627071122759681

What the actual f*ck?

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Hyppolyta · 16/06/2018 22:42

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R0wantrees · 16/06/2018 22:43

For those interested in AGP discussion, Ray Blanchard (whom I believe coined the term?) tweets at:
twitter.com/BlanchardPhD?lang=en

there are quite a few links etc from his page.

NB its not something I know anything about nor am interested in

Kettlepotblackagain · 16/06/2018 22:44

It doesn't matter does it Clare.

It's about you.

R0wantrees · 16/06/2018 22:45

meanwhile a current thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3279363-A-TRA-hacked-my-Twitter-account-please-help

yetanothertranswoman · 16/06/2018 22:45

I am saying that the female half of the population's fear of the male half of the population is not unreasonable

Do you think it's possible that you would ever be able to see transwomen as different to the general male population out there - especially the ones who have threatened to kill you and who have assaulted you?

R0wantrees · 16/06/2018 22:47

yetanothertranswoman

Do you think you would ever be able to listen to women's concerns without demanding things of them?

R0wantrees · 16/06/2018 22:47

sorry, I meant to include the word 'possible'

yetanothertranswoman · 16/06/2018 22:52

Do you think you would ever be able to listen to women's concerns without demanding things of them

That was just a question in response to a comment.

And yes - I am against self ID, I have spoken to my MP, I'm on the Terf blocker list and I have done this

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3209903-to-say-not-in-my-name

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3210319-To-any-trans-activists-reading-this-forum

I have considered speaking at one of the WPUK talks but I fear the repercussions from trans activists as well as online abuse.

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 16/06/2018 22:56

Sarah Did I really just read that. Women are threatened (a bomb threat) and you frame it as trans people who are the victims. Fucking hell, I really have no words.

I have words, they're not mine but they're very apt. "10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it males men look bad. "

ClareFlourish · 16/06/2018 22:56

More from my blog, since someone has been so kind to cite it, speaking against trans people being violent, even when they feel provoked: clareflourish.wordpress.com/2018/06/06/dont-punch-a-terf/

Wanderabout · 16/06/2018 22:57

Hi yetanother sorry you feel too frightened of repercussions from TRAs and online abuse to go to WPUK. Sad

LangCleg · 16/06/2018 23:01

They won't look at it even when threats of violence are made!!! Can't they see they have opened up another channel, yet another way in!

Because narcissists can't see anything but themselves. They can't see context. They can't see that their issues fit into wider frameworks.

Women have spaces and services because they are vulnerable to male sexual abuse and violence. Children have safeguarding frameworks because they are vulnerable to adult abuse.

If your demand for "rights" include the degradation of either of these, the abuse of children and violence again women will increase. Because your rights have removed other people's protections and abusive males will have increased opportunity. Those males will identify any which way - some will be trans, some will be supporters, some will just be your bog standard violent bloke - it's not the point.

The point is that these spaces, services and frameworks are there for a reason. And that reason is the abusive, violent male, however that abusive, violent male identifies.

yetanothertranswoman · 16/06/2018 23:05

Hi yetanother sorry you feel too frightened of repercussions from TRAs and online abuse to go to WPUK

I want to speak up for what's going on and my concerns about how proposed changes affects women.

And at the same time, I also want to speak up for myself, as a member of the trans community, and my concerns about issues at the moment - because there has definitely been a change in views towards trans people as these issues become more and more present in the media.

Pratchet · 16/06/2018 23:05

Pilgrim Tucker did not make false statements. What are you on about.

Hyppolyta · 16/06/2018 23:06

To quote Clare

"Trolls on twitter disagreed. They have a hashtag “Labour losing women”, as some transphobes think Labour refusing to discriminate against trans women is more important than any other political issue, and so are leaving the party."

So wanting female representation makes us transphobic trolls, does it Clare?

Wanting to acknowledge what "woman" actually means and for us to have political representation is discrimination, against you?

BoreOfWhabylon · 16/06/2018 23:07

yetanothertranswoman has been hear for years and has always been firmly opposed to self-id.

I'm also sorry that you feel unable to attend meetings because of fear of repercussions.

BoreOfWhabylon · 16/06/2018 23:08

here

R0wantrees · 16/06/2018 23:11

yetanothertranswoman

My understanding is that aside from the speakers, there have been other members of the transgender community who have attended WPUK meetings and, as with everyone who attends, is able to ask questions and speak asa member of the audience.

ClareFlourish · 16/06/2018 23:12

What are you on about, Hippolyta? My own constituency had a women-only shortlist, and now has a woman PPC. I was out leafleting for her on Thursday evening. I want women represented too. That does not mean leaving the Labour party, or suing it.

Hyppolyta · 16/06/2018 23:16

This is text Clare blacked out, as it was so hopelessly distressing. You habe to choose to see it, because its so nasty and violent...

"“Labour plans to exclude women from their party. I am surprised they aren’t advocating taking our vote away”

This bit, Clare did not consider violent enough to black out...

“I hope her face is embarrassingly fucked up for work tomorrow"

Clare can you explain why women worrying about political representation is more violent than some poor woman having her face smashed in by a so called "transwoman"?

Hyppolyta · 16/06/2018 23:17

Clare what is a woman?

You cant support women if you dont know what they are, can you?

thebewilderness · 16/06/2018 23:21

Do you think it's possible that you would ever be able to see transwomen as different to the general male population out there - especially the ones who have threatened to kill you and who have assaulted you?

Given my experience and my employment history I do not think so.
That is not what has been asked of me. That is not what is being asked of everyone.
My job required me to pretend that transsexuals were no different from the rest of the female population. No one believed this legal fiction. Least of all the people it was designed to protect.

LightofaSilveryMoon · 16/06/2018 23:23

ClareFlourish - then perhaps your efforts would be better directed at men who are bent on trying to negate women's rights? Rather than trying to argue against women?

thebewilderness · 16/06/2018 23:25

stealthsquirrelnutkin

BEST NAME EVAH!!eleventy1

ClareFlourish · 16/06/2018 23:26

Hippolyta, I did not black out that bit because my main audience is trans, and I was pointing it out as offensive. That is the clear message of my post. And the one with the fist was a trans man.