Woman's Place UK meeting threatened with "device"

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twitter.com/Hastings_police/status/1007627071122759681

What the actual f*ck?

Lol the grin was for Sophocles, my timing is just poor!

Anyone else reading Clare's posts in the voice of Jane Fae?

Britain following the human rights law of Malta and Colombia

I am always baffled by this sort of comment when I hear it. It makes no sense. And no sense is offered with it. It is said as if it means something significant in its own right but the significance is never given. It is just left hanging there as a sort of perplexing absolute and no-one asks why or offers an explanation.

So why are we doing this then? Well they've done it in Columbia and Malta. Oh, perfect. Thanks for the explanation.

That's what I was implying too Picasso with the Jane Fae comment. It's this 'air' of self importance and 'I'm so educated, having to explain things to you peasants it's just such a waste of my time' tone.

To be fair Clare, you have at least shown some solidarity, in your own way. But being condescending isn't going to help the discussion.

It's this 'air' of self importance and 'I'm so educated, having to explain things to you peasants it's just such a waste of my time' tone.

I'm still really perplexed, given Jane Fae's intelligence, with the argument she made on the Jeremy Vine show a couple of weeks ago.

Jane said that women had different life experiences and one couldn't for example compare the lived experience of a 'poor' woman to the Queen, eg 'royal' woman. I think this argument actually illustrates the opposite to the point Jane was making. That in respect to being a girl and woman, biology is the shared experience regardless of wealth, occupation etc.

The Queen is also a woman and mother.

A poor woman could become a royal woman and royal women have become poor women.

Conversely, the thing that the Queen and 'poor women' can never experience, as opposed to Jane Fae, is being a 'trans' woman.

There was quite a bit of discussion about this point on the thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3256772-Guess-how-I-got-suspended-from-the-Labour-Party?

Ah, Malta. So progressive.

Tell me, do they still have that funny little law where if you kidnap someone, but manage to coerce them into marrying you, then you're exempt from prosecution for the kidnap?

Yes. Yes they do.

You can change your gender, but you can't prosecute your abductor. So progressive. Lol.

Sorry, I don't mean to shit on Malta, my parents met there and I'm sure it's wonderful.

It's just not the first place that springs to mind as being the last word in egalitarian politics.

So the U.K. has the opportunity to show the world how to champion women’s rights and balance those rights with transgender rights.

That might be something to be proud of

I just can't get over Clare's concern about bad optics.

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

I frame it as nasty man is seeking to cause trouble for trans people

I don't think you should misgender people like that, "Claire".

It seems to be an odd way of applying the no true Scotsman logical fallacy to male violence done in the name of transgender advocacy to declare it must be false flag or rat-fucking because the people who threaten to kill us every day for saying no to them would never resort to male violence.
Pull the other one. It has bells on.

thebewilderness

What's 'the no true Scotsman logical fallacy'? Curious...

I agree Elletorro.

Yes if it was found to be a trans advocate it's hardly a "hold the front page" moment is it? When they do regularly make threats of violence to women who say things they don't like?

So the U.K. has the opportunity to show the world how to champion women’s rights and balance those rights with transgender rights.

That might be something to be proud of

I agree

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

I've seen this said made by two separate trans 'MAB' posters on two different threads about this bomb threat against women today.

"Explanation: This is a very common form of this fallacy that has many variations. Every time one group member denounces another group member for doing or saying something that they don’t approve of, usually by the phrase, “he is not really a true [insert membership here]”, this fallacy is committed."

Here is more detail.
www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/135/No-True-Scotsman

Arguments are replete with logical fallacies these days. I do not know if it is more than used to be but I do think so.

Perhaps because people are not being taught and encouraged to form real arguments for themselves anymore, just repeat what they have heard.

I really thought the internet was going to change everything by opening conversations to many new arguments from marginalised voices.

It's gone completely the other way.

What reason is there to believe that tweeter dislikes specifically feminists concerned with trans issues, rather than feminists generally? I'm curious. It's like that woman who was a mass-shooter in the US, and there was speculation she was trans. What connection does the bomb-threatener have with trans people? It's not the "no true Scotsman" fallacy- I'm not saying it could not possibly be a trans person- just, why think he is a trans person?

I am familiar with male violence, alas.

No one is saying the bomb threatener is trans. They're pointing out that you're assuming the bomb threatener is not, based on their appearance.

Clare. To a certain extent it doesn't even matter! The movement has been hijacked and threats are made using the trans movement to justify this.

Are we honestly focused on whether of not this person is trans? It's like arguing over whether or the threat was carried out on a Tuesday or a Wednesday!

What reason is there to believe that tweeter dislikes specifically feminists concerned with trans issues, rather than feminists generally?

Because they threatened A Woman's Place meeting being held to discuss the Gender Recognition Act.

Not any of the other multitude of feminist events and activities on the go right now.

And if people like Clare don't want the backlash falling on them, they're going to have stop with the NATALT and actually start standing up against the threats

I hope that there wouldn't be a backlash against trans people because someone who may or may not be trans threatens women who are speaking up.

Trans people are speaking up against trans activists who carry out such stuff and threats. The people to blame for the threats is the individuals who carry them out and those who encourage them. I very much doubt that these individuals would listen to any trans person who speaks up.