Woman's Place UK meeting threatened with "device"

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twitter.com/Hastings_police/status/1007627071122759681

What the actual f*ck?

but anyone who assumes it is a trans person making the threat is further angered against trans people, or some trans people, or some trans activists- and that does trans people no good.

This is a sick joke, yes? Someone is making bomb threats and a trans activist is more worried about people's reaction to trans people than the risk or the threat.

Making it easier subverts those gendered expectations, and they may fall away.
2,000 years of cross cultural experience says no they won't. If you want change you have to decide what you want and actively work towards it, not just expect it to happen by a magical process.

Yes I like the question : 'Why can't you just listen to some trans people?
Ans: 'I did. Why do you think I'm worried.'

You're on fire joan! (not literally, obvs)

Fantastic posts over multiple threads. So clear, so incisive. Well played

I just can't get over Clare's concern about bad optics.

Women are being threatened with "devices". Explosive material has been found in the area. Might be bollocks - but equally it absolutely might not be. If it's not bollocks, women could be hurt or die for wanting to get together and talk.

But yes, it might make trans people look bad and that's the real worry.

It's not often you see it laid bare like that.

You still there @ClareFlourish? Can you please elaborate or explain where I've gone wrong in my interpretation?

I hope that's not a sarcastic "gawd woman you talk too much.."!

Making the most of the opportunity to speak with women here during a time of increased suppression, before a bunch of us are inevitably kicked out

I don't think Clare will answer any of you, tbh. I don't think there is a reasonable answer to give.

Yes I am still here.

Too many comments to answer. I have limited time. I have said all I feel the need to say, here, including repeated condemnation of that tweet. We trans people are your allies, really. After the consultation, and Britain following the human rights law of Malta and Colombia, everyone will move on.

Oh yes Malta and Colombia those beacons of human rights

Going back to the question of the tweeter being trans, he did he say he was a Wigger, which I had to google.

Apparnetly for some its a cultural appropriation of black culture, for others theyre believe they are white black people (not even typing the word they use).

While this obviously isnt all transpeople, we cant ignore the way MRAs are using the trans rights movement and claiming to be trans, or trans rights activists to destroy women.

What is the point of a consultation when you want to dictate the outcome? What you really mean is, after the consultation, when trans activists have achieved their aim, the rest of us will be forced to comply with their ideology or face sanctions. That's not being an ally or "moving on".

If the above is true then why the (general ) vitriol aimed at xx people?
Why not just dismiss us as loonies and a minority who are simply getting underwear inna twist for no good reason.

Strange, isn't it?

Apparently, transactivists threatened to bomb WPUK's Cambridge meeting - I'm presuming that threat wasn't sent via Twitter so wasn't more widely publicised:

twitter.com/Womans_Place_UK/status/1007977460149948416

I haven't seen any further news about the potential explosives the bomb squad found yesterday.

Too many comments to answer. I have limited time
And there it is, surprising all the women who bothered to engage I'm sure.

Apparently, transactivists threatened to bomb WPUK's Cambridge meeting

Ffs.

"Women have very little idea of how much men hate them" (Greer)
But we are learning, aren't we.

Joan

Funny that

The last time someone tried to convince me of something on here they suggested I read some tome they'd previously read, without a precis or anything. But they themselves were too busy to answer my questions.

Very rude.

This is how I see it: if you are part of a political movement that advocates the removal of gatekeeping and safeguards for women and children - for example, self-ID of gender and safeguarding in schools and children's organisations - you will attract every abusive, violent male going. Some of these will just take advantage of your movement because they hate women and some of them will pretend to be you. Either way, your movement will be a magnet for unstable and dangerous people.

Feminists have been trying to tell everyone this for years.

Create openings for dangerous males and you will attract dangerous males. Congratulations, transactivists. You've attracted one dangerous enough to make bomb threats against a women's meeting. You were told this would happen by feminists and you ignored them, just as Maria Miller's enquiry was told someone like Ian Huntley would identify as trans by professionals and she ignored them.

It is too late to disavow it now. It's exactly what you've been campaigning for - removing of safeguards and social conventions. This is what happens when you remove safeguards and social conventions.

Transplantsareplants: "But they themselves were too busy to answer my questions."

It seems to be a common tactic. When Laurie Penny came on here, claiming to be interested in constructive dialogue, I asked her 10 very straightforward questions. But she was too busy to answer any of them. And then she fucked off.

After the consultation, and Britain following the human rights law of Malta and Colombia, everyone will move on.

In a week when upskirting failed to be made an offense, I'm impressed with your confidence.

It is too late to disavow it now. It's exactly what you've been campaigning for - removing of safeguards and social conventions. This is what happens when you remove safeguards and social conventions.

YY. What a fucking shocker.

I wonder if Chope would have blocked Maria Miller's PMB?

I don't think this proposed change to the law is going to happen.

I think public awareness is being raised; & public opinion is clearly against self ID.

So whilst I find ClareFlourish 's smug posts - especially in the context of this thread - rather jarring, I'm pretty sure their confidence is misplaced.

Here's hoping this idiocy can be summarily rejected before an act of terrorism is actually committed.

I wonder if Chope would have blocked Maria Miller's PMB?

Apparently he blocks all PMBs. He blocked one on the Hillsborough disaster a few years ago.

After the consultation, and Britain following the human rights law of Malta and Colombia, everyone will move on.

The use of precedent in implementing transgender policies seems key, both in sport and elsewhere.

In most interviews I have heard by those advocating for self-id in changes for the GRA (for example) the list of countries who have already done so seems always referenced.

But we don't in other areas of UK legislation always use this as justification.

By way of example,
(from Wikipedia)
"The only countries with permissive gun legislation are: Albania, Austria, Chad, Republic of Congo, Honduras, Micronesia, Namibia, Nigeria, Pakistan, Philippines, Senegal, Tanzania, the United States, Yemen and Zambia, although several other countries like Canada and the Czech Republic, despite theoretically being restrictive, are shall-issue countries."

Yet despite Donald Trump's recent suggestion, we don't have permissive gun laws in the UK.

NB I am illustrating a principle, not comparing those advocating for for transgender rights to those who support the NRA!

link to recent thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3270322-Ireland-has-had-self-ID-for-several-years-with-no-problems?messages=100&pg=1

I hope that's not a sarcastic "gawd woman you talk too much.."!

No, you nana, I think your posts are fab! Take the damn compliment

We trans people are your allies, really

ClareFlourish Earlier in this thread you were at pains to stress that people who were transgender were individuals, commenting:

"Trans people are individuals. Trans activists are individuals. Each person who does something like this bomb threat is responsible for their own actions. No trans person has any responsibility for it."