Woman's Place UK meeting threatened with "device"

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twitter.com/Hastings_police/status/1007627071122759681

What the actual f*ck?

I frame it as nasty man is seeking to cause trouble for trans people.

What the actual fuck ClareFlourish??

Women are threatened with murder and you frame it as trying to cause trouble for trans people?

Your priorities seriously fucking suck. I have nothing more to say to you, you have shown who you are and you are not worth any more of my time.

Women are mere collateral damage, of course.

The real victims are trans people.

Seriously, clare?

It's amazing how people think what they've said is perfectly reasonable and literally can't understand why it's actually unbelievably shitty.

Women are mere collateral damage, of course.

Any other group threatened like this, by a bomb, with bomb making equipment found, would be headline news.

I am ignoring me,me,me from now on.

Let me spell it out.

He's unlikely to be trans. It actually doesn't matter a whit.

The point is that his obvious, repellent, violent misogyny leads him to side with transactivists against women speaking.

Do you really not see that?

Your cause attracts misogynists. Why is that?

If there had been a bomb threat and materials found, and that had been on trans people, politicians would be tripping over each other to condemn it.

I am not using any "tactics" at all. After the Mumsnet HQ statement, I thought I would engage. After I condemned the tweet, I still heard calls to condemn. Possibly, the "feminism chat" threads are not places where I can be heard.

Most people don't care. I was pleased with the latest The Big Questions programme, because most of the audience were on the trans side; but even after all the propaganda in the Times and the Mail, most people can't see what the fuss is about. If the English consultation had gone ahead when the Scots one did, there would be far less anger around the issue now. It's promised for July, now, they tell me.

Some people are trans. It is our way of escaping the gendered expectations we perceive on us. Making transition more difficult won't help anyone challenge gendered expectations. Making it easier subverts those gendered expectations, and they may fall away.

Look, Clare has come along and told us all that he is not a dangerous, misogynistic bastard. He is in fact just a very naughty boy. So we we need to just stop being hysterical and jolly well listen to how this affects Clare.

After the Mumsnet HQ statement, I thought I would engage

I don't recall the statement saying that we had to minimise male violence?

Clare's posts are odd. Yes Sophocles I agree. There's no way Clare will understand that. There's a script and that's that.

We are spoiling the fun for the person who enjoys KFC on Twitter are we?

Now back to poor me...me, me, me.

KettlePot you've misgendered in your last post maybe report to MN gt it removed.

I frame it as nasty man is seeking to cause trouble for trans people

Did I really just read that. Women are threatened (a bomb threat) and you frame it as trans people who are the victims. Fucking hell, I really have no words.

How is it subverting gendered expectations to say that someone can have a female brain and a penis?

Yesterday, Sussex Police released a statement that bomb making equipment was found in a house in Hastings.

This means that maybe the tweet was not a threat but a genuine warning that the local TRA are indeed planning a bomb.

Maybe it was when the police questioned the tweeter that they were led to the address? Why else did the police suddenly out of the blue decide to raid a specific house in Hastings?

Thats actually some seriously scary shit. I hope it is taken as seriously as it should be.

I read the "he" in kettles post to be wrt the dangerous misogynist threatening women with his devices, not directed at Clare, sardine.

Just to clarify, the He referred to the KFC boy.

We are unsure of the gender of the KFC bomb fan, I gather we aren't allowed to discuss the biological sex of ambiguous people.

Unsure atm but we can make an educated guess.

Unfortunately the behaviour of some young women who act like rabid cult members on behalf of trans ideology does leave a question mark, however unlikely it would usually be that a woman would do this.

You ARE being heard, Clare. That is why woman after woman on here is responding to you and objecting to your posts: because they are READING them and COMPREHENDING them. That is what "being heard" amounts to!

You (Clare) wrote: "Some people are trans. It is our way of escaping the gendered expectations we perceive on us."

But trans do not escape gendered expectations. The entire trans narrative and ideology rests on gendered expectations -- e.g. "I always knew I was a girl because I didn't like football and preferred to play with dolls."

Feminists want to abolish gendered expectations and gender roles.

Yes Southfields

most people can't see what the fuss is about.

If the above is true then why the (general ) vitriol aimed at xx people?
Why not just dismiss us as loonies and a minority who are simply getting underwear inna twist for no good reason.

You ARE being heard, Clare. That is why woman after woman on here is responding to you and objecting to your posts: because they are READING them and COMPREHENDING them.

Trans activists always believe we need educating . But we are highly attuned to what they are saying. This isn't petty obstinance or ignorance - this is the ongoing considered and resolute resistance of women which is backed up by the hard work of generations of women. We have had to do this work because women have always been limited by what men tell us we are - generations of women's revolutionary resistance has literally had to go back to the absolute roots of who we are outside of male definition and who we might be if we were free to be.

We do hear Clare and our careful listening to the choice of words and the spaces between the words is what makes us object. It is the misogyny of the belief in male superior thinking that keeps them treating us like pretty little heads that shouldn't be bothered with the Big Ideas of Male (armchair) Philosophers.

And Mumsnet please note I am not calling Clare male but referring to the sexist dynamic that means all serious philosophies and thinking is done by men and is above the capacity of women.

Did I really just read that. Women are threatened (a bomb threat) and you frame it as trans people who are the victims. Fucking hell, I really have no words.

Yes, yes you did. And no, I have no words either - or at least, none that I can type in public.