New guidelines - we aren't allowed to refer to natal sex

[Maryz]

According to KateMumsnet:

"We also thought it might be useful to clarify our thinking about general terms for trans people. Having said that TIM is not okay, it seems a bit illogical to allow other terms which hang upon natal sex."

Well that's that really, isn't it.

We are all being told to pretend that men have become women.

Am I going to be deleted/banned for this post?

on Mumsnet we accept

Can ya stop with all the fucking weeing!!!

We don't need to do anything

SupermatchGame

Are these the 'silly threats on social media' you're referring to?
terfisaslur.com

You may be interested to know that the NUS Women's slide show 'How to deal with Terfs' has been shared /endorsed by people with quite a lot of political influence.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3222263-Slide-show-on-How-to-Deal-with-TERFs

It recommends this site: theterfs.com

Oh and wanting people to send in their personal details such as birth certificates (on this thread) and ID (on another thread) is deeply deeply suspect

I would try very hard not to take MNHQ's current attitude towards 'fairness' as a sign of weakness if i were you

You are liable to be disappointed with the results

Did gaslighting gibberty change their name to snappity?
I am confused.

Can you mandate belief?
Can you codify into law the idea that some people can mind over matter themselves out of material reality and into the opposite sex, and must be treated accordingly?
It is like transubstantiation. A belief that only the true believer actually believes.
Will you allow people to drug and mutilate children based on this belief that no one believes?
How will non believers be punished?
Governments have mandated belief before. It never ends well for women and children, nor for the kingdom.

James Kirkup asked, "Bluntly, why the hell is no one in politics shouting from the rooftops about this stuff? We’re talking about people trying to put the frighteners on Mumsnetters, for goodness sake... Yet the politicians who were desperate to talk biscuits at Mumsnet Towers are curiously silent about the intimidation that some women now report there"

& concluded
"It’s because those women have been – quite successfully and even skilfully – demonised and stigmatised, put beyond the pale of civilised debate as those who question orthodoxy often are. They’ve been given a name, a name that means they’re bad people, people who should not speak and should not be heard. That name is “Terf,” which once meant “Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist” but now appears to stand in its own right as a term of abuse and dismissal alongside the other short, harsh words often used to question the worth and virtue of women.

And that small number of people who direct violence and abuse at “Terfs” are swimming in a larger sea of contempt and dismissal. Their conduct takes place in a social context where hostility to “Terfs” has become not just normal but even amusing, where there is no social cost to talking about and perhaps even inciting violence towards women who hold “unacceptable” views. Simply, some people, including people who would never themselves engage in that sort of violence, are doing things that make violent discourse and even violence look and feel OK. Sadly, they include journalists and politicians, people who parade their support for minority groups but speak about feminist women in terms they would never use about other people."

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/fear-and-loathing-grips-the-gender-debate/

Thanks for the links R0wantrees.
Trans Exclusive Radical Feminists were so named because we excluded males from feminism regardless of how they identify.

How bizarre to discover that this resulted in the great and powerful Trans Exclusive Radical Feminists excluding transgender persons from housing education employment and United Nations protections.

Indeed Bewilderness... from the recommended (by two NUS officers) site 'The Terfs', I read:

"TERF Position on Trans Equality
For decades, TERFs have sought to legislate trans people out of existence. Moreover, they work to oppose trans equality measures, infiltrate trans-inclusive feminist spaces, work with anti-gay groups to target trans kids and collaborate with anti-trans extremists who advocate bombing US targets."

Did gibberty change their name to snappity?

Oh goodness

There was me thinking they would get in like a house on fire

Just so stark - the disgusting violent threats...
Oh - and the suggestion that we hand over personal details

Talk about showing your hand

It seems to be another reminder that transgender advocates view women's rights to be antithetical to transgender rights and any discussion or promotion of women's rights to be hate speech.

Talk about showing your hand

Its almost as if they thought 'ooohhh I complained about transphobia and got some mean words banned, lets see what else i can do'

I will see if i can explain it simply to them

Sweetheart, listen to auntie rufus carefully, it was a coincidence...it was not your complaints to mumsnet that made them change their policy. I know it seems like that but you arent magic. Is that ok sweetie?

Bet that goes...

"The terfs" site was started by non-female TRA Dana Lane Taylor who was completely obsessed with Cathy Brennan. Taylor had quite obvious and severe mental health problems (they spoke about them often) and they used multiple twitter accounts and names to harass many different feminist women, particularly targetting lesbians. At one point Taylor was actually friendly with Brennan but from my recollection CB distanced herself when they had a major disagreement over the cotton ceiling (CB was horrified by it) and when she cut Taylor off they basically went full strength rejected male. Taylor was central to some really nasty shit aimed at women, harassment that began on twitter and continued offline. DLT was close to fellow non-female TRA Sophia Photos ("Potatoes") who claimed that homosexuality was transphobic, non-female grifter TRA Laurelai Bailey who has been accused of multiple rapes and sexual assaults and allegedly pimped out their own wife, and non-female TRA Cristan Williams of the Transadvocate. Bailey, Williams, and Taylor are three of the main TRAs who took the term "terf" and exploded it across the internet, bullshitting all the while that it had been coined by radical feminists ourselves, and spreading the incredible propaganda that "terfs" are responsible for the deaths of 50000+ "trans women" because (they say) radical feminist Janice Raymond allegedly singlehandedly stopped their access to any healthcare in the US.

TLDR - the site "the terfs", like the transadvocate (both of which I think are now controlled by Cristan Williams) was set up by a non-female TRA to spread propaganda and target specific women for harassment and defamation.

Rufus, I would forget about it. These people are mentally ill. It is very sad and I feel for them but the fact is they simply don't have the capability to understand normality. Very sad.

No i think youre right there lastgirl

Here is Dana Lane Taylor, "miss_sudo", who has detransitioned back to David. Not sure if I'm more likely to get deleted for calling them Dana, David, He or She, what fun the new rules are! This is the non-female behind Theterfs.com.

Snappity Fri 15-Jun-18 16:27:18
Where does reality factor in?

I see no problem with reality

Hey Mumsnet, just to add - Dana Lane Taylor, and Sarah "suck my formaldehyde pickled balls" Brown, etc - these are the people you are prioritising and protecting over and above the women who are actually here filling your site with humorous, supportive and intelligent content, and by doing so paying your bills and puting food in your mouths, and providing you with the credibility you are foolishly pissing away.

R0wantrees

I can confirm that I said I find the "calls here to repeal the GRA so that trans people can't change their legal sex cruel, oppressive and repellant"

'Calls' refers to the language used, not the people.

It's a strange question from you though. I would have thought you have the intelligence to see that without having to ask.

You don't describe the threads of rape and murder as repellant

And you think your time is better spent suggesting that mumsnet is not a place for traumatised women,

Oops Pratchet no I didn't suggest that at all. I was suggesting mumsnet is not the place for misgendering or harassing trans people.

But did you see what you did there? As usual you reconstruct my words to lead to a conclusion that I never drew.

Those extremists are breaking the law by making threats. Most of them are easy to ignore. Just don't follow their twitters. Mumsnet is not so easy to ignore because thousands of women are here for lots of other reasons.

We see you

I wish you did. But you don't.

Oh we do. I know exactly what you said. You suggested mumsnet wasn't the place for a trans widows thread, a place where abused and traumatised women come to share and heal. You come here, to tell us that, instead of condemning threats of rape and murder.
#weseeyou

SMG

that original post of yours really didnt read well at all

Its still on here and as much as you would like to pretend i have misconstrued it on purpose i really didnt

Happy to believe you wrote it badly...but attempting to defend it except by saying 'sorry, i did not mean to infer ......' is again coming over really badly

Exactly how pratchet has explained in her latest post

You don't describe the threads of rape and murder as repellant

Of course they are repellant. There are other people on those threads describing them as repellant and I rarely post agreement with people here. Not even about trans issues. I don't come to this particular forum to read or post about the views of people I agree with. I have friends for that.