New guidelines - we aren't allowed to refer to natal sex

[Maryz]

According to KateMumsnet:

"We also thought it might be useful to clarify our thinking about general terms for trans people. Having said that TIM is not okay, it seems a bit illogical to allow other terms which hang upon natal sex."

Well that's that really, isn't it.

We are all being told to pretend that men have become women.

Am I going to be deleted/banned for this post?

we need to either accept what all women are women if they say they are

We don't - we really, really don't. You cannot make us "accept" something that is factually, scientifically untrue.

Transwomen are not women. Women are adult human females.

How are you defining woman Snappity?

At this point it doesn't matter so long as all members here are required to show the same evidence. Or we assume everyone is a woman if they say there are. Either works. But we can't have a system where some people are allowed to say they are women and are taken at face value but some aren't.

Maybe we just say that people can only post on the Feminism section if they have sent Mumsnet their birth certificate. Would that suit you?

Snappity, you make absolutely no sense.

How can you self-define as something that you cannot define?

Not sure I’m following, Snappity. Everything about me is female (apart from possibly my gender if I could be bothered to look at the Big Book of Gender ID). I’d have no problem ‘proving’ to anyone that I’m a woman, what with the XX, the shape, the stretch marks, the height, the crappy hormones and the ovaries.

I do apparently have an ‘extreme male brain’ though, according to Simon Baron Cohen’s rather insensitive terminology.

Ridiculous

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But snappity you don't need to be female to post here.

Nobody knows if anyone here is really what they say they are.

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Yay for Caroline!

Snappity - no members here have to show any evidence of anything. It's an anonymous internet forum called Mumsnet.

So how many of those who say it is ridiculous are prepared to send Mumsnet your birth certificate if I arrange it with them? Or would you rather just have the courtesy to treat everyone here as a woman if she says she is. I am happy with either approach.

But allowing some people to say they are women and accepting that while refusing to accept it when others say they are is discrimination, stereotyping and the complete opposite of feminism.

I think we can say no to both of those actually, snappity

Hilarious tweet on that Glinner thread

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I feel like Chicken Tonight, does that make me Chicken Tonight?

I already said I could send the 30-odd year old original, you ignored whether you can do the same though.

I'm starting to wonder if a certain poster is actually a parody or fifth columnist.

Just to be clear not referring to Snappity.

There is no reason to send in birth certificates as MN is not a female sex segregated space. There are many people who claim to be things they are not.

Snappity this is an annonymous forum.

No one knows what sex you are, unless you say. Although the use of language can make it obvious.

We arent after banning males from mumsnet.
Theres some great blokes on here.

Mumsnet is not a sex segregated space.

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There's some great GC blokes on here.

Nobody knows if anyone here is really what they say they are.

So you agree that anyone who says she is a woman is a woman?

Out of respect, I call people what they want to be called. So, if they are called Jonathan but want to go by Jon thats cool. And if they are Jonathan and want to go by Caroline that is cool too. No one treats me like I am a little girl, but I was one once. Life is complex, it is also short and we are all brainwashed. We are all people.

"So you agree that anyone who says she is a woman is a woman?"*

No. Next question?

How does sending birth certificates prove you are that person, anyway. Didn't think that through did you I could send my dads in, doesn't make me a man in his fifties. Or one of the DCs maybe. Oo, the choices are endless...