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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I am S p a r t a c u s

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PermissionToSpeakSir · 13/06/2018 18:53

I am a woman.

I was a girl.

I am an adult human female.

Something a man can never be.

I am a woman.

People refer to me has her and she.

Sometimes said with deep contempt and misogyny.

I am a woman.

Something a male will never be.

I have a vagina and uterus.

I menstruate and have given birth.

I am a mother.

Something a male will never be.

I have been insulted, assaulted, belittled, dismissed, held back, intimidated, stereotyped, terrorised, mocked, shamed, humiliated because I am a woman.

Something a male can never be.

I feel insulted, appropriated, offended, anxious, tense, depressed, hurt and under siege, when a male claims to be a woman or anyone says a male can be female.

It is not civil or respectful to treat me this way.

I am a woman.

I am Spartacus.

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BingTheButterflySlayer · 13/06/2018 21:02

I'd be interested in seeing if MN have any suggested terms to describe trans people without forcing people to describe them as the sex they are not.

Considering the fact that there are many on this site who are such sticklers for total factual accuracy that incorrectly calling the external sexual organs of a biologically female person their vagina instead of their vulva can add about 5 pages of nit picking onto a thread... the irony of all of this would be amusing if it wasn't so damned Orwellian.

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TookyClothespin · 13/06/2018 21:03

I am spartacus.
Sex and gender can be different. You can change gender, but not biological sex.
Male has XY chromosomes. Female has XX chromosomes.
Everyone should be able to dress/present however they like, but sex segregated spaces should remain exactly that.

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TimeLady · 13/06/2018 21:09

I am Spartacus too.

Isn't the Pride banner about being proud of who you are, not fighting to be something you're (biologically) not?

Follow the example set by the LGBs, Ts.

Afterthought: Maybe we could simply use the term T, if they use that themselves?

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JoyTheUnicorn · 13/06/2018 21:12

I am Spartacus.
I am female.
I have carried 4 babies and breastfed them.
I menstruate, sometimes for a few weeks at a time, sometimes 2 or 3 times a month. I cannot identify out of this.
I wear men's clothes, I have short hair, I have been mists degree several times. However, every single cell in my body contains XX chromosomes.
If I was DNA tested, no matter how I choose to identify, the results would confirm that I am female.
Within my cells there is mitochondrial DNA which has been passed down from mother to daughter through thousands of years, a whole continuous line of females.
This is science.
I am female.
Changing sex is not possible.

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JoyTheUnicorn · 13/06/2018 21:13

Mists degree = misgendered.

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AngryAttackKittens · 13/06/2018 21:20

I'd be interested in seeing if MN have any suggested terms to describe trans people without forcing people to describe them as the sex they are not

There aren't any because that's the core of the issue - any term that makes it clear that a trans person isn't the sex that they "identify" as will be rejected. This has happened with every term that's been tried. The core issue is the absolute refusal to allow any distinction to be made between "is X" and "identifies as X". I'm not sure why HQ don't seem to understand this, they seem to be convinced that it's an issue that can be resolved via politeness.

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SleepIsForTheWeek · 13/06/2018 21:25

I have never given birth or breastfed a child.
It does not make me any less of a woman than those who have.
I am a woman. An adult female human being.
It is the core of my DNA.
I am Spartacus.

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terryleather · 13/06/2018 21:28

There aren't any because that's the core of the issue - any term that makes it clear that a trans person isn't the sex that they "identify" as will be rejected. This has happened with every term that's been tried. The core issue is the absolute refusal to allow any distinction to be made between "is X" and "identifies as X". I'm not sure why HQ don't seem to understand this, they seem to be convinced that it's an issue that can be resolved via politeness.

Angry nails it

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Angryresister · 13/06/2018 21:30

I have beena feminist and a lesbian for over 40 years. I have watched the destruction of womens and lesbian organisations by entitled narcissistic men who wear womanface. I will never ever say they are women. I am Spartacus . That is until they back off and leave us alone.

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MyRelationshipIsWeird · 13/06/2018 21:31

I am Spartacus.

I grew up as a girl. I have periods, grew into a woman’s body (which has caused me angst and misery throughout my life, due to the way it is perceived by others) and have been treated differently to men in my life ever since.

I’ve been sexually assaulted, physically intimidated, I earn 1/10th of what me ex earns because as a SAHM to facilitate his career I was left in a vulnerable position.

I am the mother of 3 DCs who grew inside me and whom I breastfed using my own body. This caused physical and emotional issues a man will never experience, no matter much he feels like he would like to. Appropriating women’s biology by faking periods is offensive to women and girls who cannot identify their way out of their biology.

I had subsequent health issues after birth, which were brushed off and dismissed by HCPs because apparently ‘all new mums’ suffer with pain for months on end.

The way my life has turned out and the way I am treated in every day life is due to my biology.

I do not identify as a woman. I just know I am one because I was born a girl and my body has been through pregnancy and childbirth. Had I chosen not to (or been unable) to have children that would not make me a man. I am a member of the class of humans which produces eggs rather than sperm.

I have short hair, I sometimes don’t wear make-up. I swear like a trooper and I put the bins out. I hate shopping and handbags. As a child I desperately wanted to wear trousers not pink sparkly clothes.

I am not a stereotype.

I am a woman.

I am Spartacus.

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GollyGoshGreat · 13/06/2018 21:44

I am an adult female human with prolapsed female sex organs as a result of childbirth injuries.

I am made to feel I should keep quiet and suffer in silence because I am but a birther. This is my lot.

I am a woman.

I am Spartacus.

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sanluca · 13/06/2018 21:52

I am Spartacus

I hate having periods, blood everywhere for two days, painful cramps and migraines.
I hated having boobs at 12 and being catcalled on the street.
I was sexually assaulted by my boss, probably because he knew I was a woman.

I have been pregnant, given birth twice that nearly killed me. I breastfed both of them and watched them thrive.
I am now menopausal, something doctors will deny and tell me to handle it as 'nature intended'. No hormones for me.

My babies are both girls and I will do my utmost to ensure their world takes women seriously.

And I still say this whole thing is just womb envy.

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terfinginthevoid · 13/06/2018 21:52

I am Spartacus.

I do not feel like a woman. I feel like a person.
I am a woman. Because I have female biology.

I find it very offensive when a man calls himself a 'woman'.
Because woman is not a costume. Woman is not a set of stereotypes. Woman is not an idea in a man's head.

Woman is a biological reality.

Women are an oppressed class, because of that biological reality, and the way that impacts on how we are treated by society, particularly by men.

Humans cannot change sex. A man can never become a woman.

I am a woman. I am Spartacus.

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SeamstressfromTreacleMineRoad · 13/06/2018 21:53

I am a woman.
I was a girl.
I am an adult human female.
Something a man can never be.
I am a woman.
People refer to me has her and she.
Sometimes said with deep contempt and misogyny.
I am a woman.
Something a male will never be.
I have a vagina and uterus.
I menstruated and gave birth.
I am a mother.
Something a male will never be.
I have been insulted, belittled, dismissed, intimidated, stereotyped, shamed, humiliated because I am a woman.
Something a male can never be.
I feel insulted, appropriated, offended, under siege and bloody angry when a male claims to be a woman or anyone says a male can be female.
It is not civil or respectful to treat me this way.
I am a woman.

I am Spartacus.

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superbstarling · 13/06/2018 21:56

I am a women
I have given birth to two sons
I was not identified as female at birth, I was female from conception
I am spartacus

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Materialist · 13/06/2018 22:04

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Weezol · 13/06/2018 22:12

I am Spartacus.

Sex not gender.

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corlan · 13/06/2018 22:15

I am Spartacus.
Human beings cannot change sex.
A man cannot become a woman.
A woman cannot become a man.

If we can no longer state facts, then we are well and truly fucked.

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Pratchet · 13/06/2018 22:19

Non desistas sisters
Non exieris

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LangCleg · 13/06/2018 22:20

There aren't any because that's the core of the issue - any term that makes it clear that a trans person isn't the sex that they "identify" as will be rejected.

Exactly.

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NeverLovedElvis · 13/06/2018 22:20

I am still Spartacus.

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AntiqueOlive · 13/06/2018 22:24

I lurk on FWR.
I salute the indefatigable sisters.
I am Spartacus.

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BarrackerBarmer · 13/06/2018 22:27

I'm one of the people who belongs to the class that birthed every single man that is currently arguing I exist only as a feeling in their head.

I have ovaries.

I will never stop this until every woman and I are recognised and acknowledged on our own terms.
Until the grownups step in and say to these insolent men 'no, you can't use their name for yourself. It doesn't apply to you. It's theirs. You aren't like them. Leave them alone. Make your own word up'

I will never stop.

I'm part of the 4th wave and we will take this all down. I'm playing my part.

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PermissionToSpeakSir · 13/06/2018 22:31

Until the grownups step in and say to these insolent men 'no, you can't use their name for yourself. It doesn't apply to you. It's theirs. You aren't like them. Leave them alone. Make your own word up'

Please let them come quickly - it's all getting to be too much.

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BlackShutters · 13/06/2018 22:31

Here, here.

I am also Spartacus

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