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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I am S p a r t a c u s

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PermissionToSpeakSir · 13/06/2018 18:53

I am a woman.

I was a girl.

I am an adult human female.

Something a man can never be.

I am a woman.

People refer to me has her and she.

Sometimes said with deep contempt and misogyny.

I am a woman.

Something a male will never be.

I have a vagina and uterus.

I menstruate and have given birth.

I am a mother.

Something a male will never be.

I have been insulted, assaulted, belittled, dismissed, held back, intimidated, stereotyped, terrorised, mocked, shamed, humiliated because I am a woman.

Something a male can never be.

I feel insulted, appropriated, offended, anxious, tense, depressed, hurt and under siege, when a male claims to be a woman or anyone says a male can be female.

It is not civil or respectful to treat me this way.

I am a woman.

I am Spartacus.

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InLoveWithDavidTennant · 13/06/2018 19:34

Oh and im still Spartacus

Kettlepotblackagain · 13/06/2018 19:35

Woman is not a feeling that you can ‘be’ if you choose.

Woman is not an identity.

Woman is not a novelty of dresses and glitter and sparkles and lipstick.

Woman is not an award on the cover of Glamour magazine.

Woman is not an option on a gender identification list.

Woman is not trivial, inconvenient.

Women with voices, with intellect, with knowledge, who state scientific fact, who speak the truth, will not be silenced because men demand it.

Woman is biological fact. Biology can not be changed.

TeenTimesTwo · 13/06/2018 19:37

I wear trousers and have short hair.
I don't wear makeup or high heels.
I am very good at maths.
I prefer lego to Barbie.
Although I am a mother I have never been pregnant so I would never claim to know what it feels like to be pregnant or to give birth.

I don't really know what it 'feels' to 'be a woman'.
I only know what it feels to be me.

But I know I am a woman because I am an adult human female.

I want my daughters to grow up in a society that recognises and accepts the biological differences between men and women, protects the vulnerable, and also allows everyone to be the best humans they can be.

PetraDelphiki · 13/06/2018 19:39

I am Spartacus. Science trumps feelz

Ilikelotsofthinngs · 13/06/2018 19:42

I am an adult human female.
I am a woman
Gender is a social construct
Science is real
Sex matters
We segregate by sex not gender
I will also die on this hill
Bye bye mumsnet Feminism
I am Spartacus

mancheeze · 13/06/2018 19:43

We are women.

Woman means adult human female.

We want the right to correctly identify and discuss sex and to name reality

Erasing our thread is erasing WOMEN.

I am Spartacus

HornyTortoise · 13/06/2018 19:43

I am still Spartacus, but a curious Spartacus. Whats happened now? And is there drama to read?

Oh and, males can never be female, though that should be bloody obvious.

CarrotyO · 13/06/2018 19:47

I am spartacus. My rapist preyed on me because I was a young vulnerable female. He picked me because of my body not my lady brain. I cannot identify out of my oppression. Men can never feel what it is to be a woman. We are not responsible for their delusion and I will not collude with the erasure of my sex.

ScarletBegonias · 13/06/2018 19:48

I'm Spartacus again, back on the hill.

Still knowing that humans don't change their sex.

Serfisafleur · 13/06/2018 19:49

What have I missed? Grin
I am Spartacus and will say "Trans Identified Male" not transwoman, because it doesn't include the word "woman" which is basically theft of a word, when it's expected to be applied to a male.

But... why another Spartacus?

OddBoots · 13/06/2018 19:51

I will always argue for the right of anyone to, without predjudice wear whatever clothing, do whatever jobs, have whatever favourite colour and decor, enjoy whatever hobbies - shaking off the expectations off gender and being yourself is important and should be expected.

This does not mean that gender related preferences change sex and sex matters, it really matters.

I will always support access to counselling and mental health support to all who have a strong internal conflict between their physical reality and how they would wish that reality to be and those have distorted views of their physical reality.

I do believe this makes me sparticus too.

JuzzaL · 13/06/2018 19:51

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BeyondSceptical · 13/06/2018 19:52

I have never expressed a gender. Only thing I’ve ever expressed is breast milk.
What with being female, n’all...

Fairenuff · 13/06/2018 19:55

Better not Serfisafleur

That said, it’s clear that most trans people find the use of pronouns or names that they or others have consciously rejected, to be hurtful and would therefore struggle to engage in a discussion with those who insist on using them. The same is true of the expression ‘Trans-Identified Male’ or ‘TIM’. Likewise, many feminists are affronted by the term ‘cis’ and ‘terf’, so using these terms will make civil debate less likely. As we’ve said, context is everything – but it’s likely that going forward our moderation team will delete these expressions.

We’ll be introducing a three strikes system whereby users deleted more than three times in any rolling six week period will have their membership automatically suspended and we’ll then take a view as to whether they will have membership reinstated.

Stillmuddlingthrough · 13/06/2018 19:56

I get more Spartacus by each passing day.

MrsWooster · 13/06/2018 20:03

I am a woman.
Human beings cannot change sex.
Trans women are trans women; they are not part of the female sex.
I am Spartacus. Again.

ParellelReality · 13/06/2018 20:03

Do people not get tired of endlessly repeating themselves?

Newspeak · 13/06/2018 20:05

Men can never become women

Women can never become men

I'm Brian
I'm Brian
I'm Brian and so is my wife.

#SexMatters

thebewilderness · 13/06/2018 20:07

Do people not get tired of endlessly repeating themselves?

Of course we do but history teaches us that failure to object is assumed to be acquiescence, so we stand up and speak up to say no we do not submit to male dominance. Not now not ever.

lunamoth581 · 13/06/2018 20:07

I am an adult human female.

The English word for adult human female is woman.

Biological sex is objective, material reality. Gender is a social construct.

Human beings are sexually dimorphic. Human beings cannot change sex.

Women and girls are oppressed because of our biology, the objective material reality of our own bodies.

Gender is the mechanism by which women and girls are oppressed.

This is reality. This is the hill I will die on.

I am Spartacus.

AssignedPuuurfectAtBirth · 13/06/2018 20:09

I am Spartacus

And here is Sheila Jeffries

www.facebook.com/DRradfem/videos/2157764721109127/

MnerXX · 13/06/2018 20:09

I am Spartacus.

DNA cannot be changed. Otherwise I would have identified out of having the gene for huntington’s disease

glenthebattleostrich · 13/06/2018 20:10

I am Spartacus.

Why can't we celebrate everyone's differences? Why must we deny biology on some men's say-so?

LangCleg · 13/06/2018 20:10

Do people not get tired of endlessly repeating themselves?

Indefatigable, me.

HornyTortoise · 13/06/2018 20:10

Fairenuff

Ah that explanation seems fair enough. Especially with 'cis' and 'terf' being effectively banned too. Having said that, one of the things I liked most about this forum is how..unmoderated it is. You can speak your mind here more than anywhere I have ever posted before. Yes some moderation happened, but its never ever been as much as there appears to be since transactivists turned their eye here. It kind of seems like capitulating to bullies, however I do think it is fair that if TIM is banned, cis and terf are too.

I don't get what those who refuse to use the term transwoman will use now though. Maybe transgender male person? I am fine using transwoman myself, but I know some people are against it for their own reasons.

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