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I am S p a r t a c u s

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PermissionToSpeakSir · 13/06/2018 18:53

I am a woman.

I was a girl.

I am an adult human female.

Something a man can never be.

I am a woman.

People refer to me has her and she.

Sometimes said with deep contempt and misogyny.

I am a woman.

Something a male will never be.

I have a vagina and uterus.

I menstruate and have given birth.

I am a mother.

Something a male will never be.

I have been insulted, assaulted, belittled, dismissed, held back, intimidated, stereotyped, terrorised, mocked, shamed, humiliated because I am a woman.

Something a male can never be.

I feel insulted, appropriated, offended, anxious, tense, depressed, hurt and under siege, when a male claims to be a woman or anyone says a male can be female.

It is not civil or respectful to treat me this way.

I am a woman.

I am Spartacus.

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SamPotatoes · 13/06/2018 22:32

Oh ffs. Do I have to do this again?

Still spartacus.

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Orangepear · 13/06/2018 22:33

I am Spartacus. And I am so worried for my daughters.

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Brazenhussy0 · 13/06/2018 22:36

I had an ectopic pregnancy that nearly killed me – because of my female biology.

I have been raped and sexually assaulted – because of my female biology.

I had heavy, painful periods for most of my teenage years, where the pain was so intense I vomited at school and was frequently sent home – because of my female biology.

In science, tech, and most other areas of life, I have to perform 10x better than a man to receive even half the recognition or respect – because of my female biology.

When a transwoman tries to claim they are a woman in the same way that I am a woman, I feel deeply, deeply insulted and as though my experiences and traumas are inconsequential compared to their need for validation.
No one who has male biology and who has the privilege that comes with being born male, can ever, ever know what it is like to put up with female biology.

Transwomen are transwomen. Not women. Their needs are not the same as our needs. Their experiences are not the same as our experiences. Their biology is not our biology.


I am Spartacus.

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JoyTheUnicorn · 13/06/2018 22:37

MNHQ, I can't tell you how distressed I am at this.

I've been on MN for about 9 years.
When ds3 was newborn and not feeding well, I turned to mumsnet.
When I had suspected mastitis, I turned to mumsnet.
When I had problem periods, I turned to mumsnet.
All the niggly stuff that's not worth going to the Drs or some other official channel, another woman on MN has been able to advise.
Female problems, supported by females.
Even though on here I am just another anonymous MNer, and I don't matter, over the years mumsnet has been a place of support, an outlet for difficult times, a place where I will have my arse kicked if that's what I deserve, a place where I have made some amazing friends.
I came here after hearing about a fabulous but scary and sweary forum, predominantly populated by mothers, but unlike the other place it was witty, straight talking, and a place for intelligent debate and free speech.
In a society where women are disadvantaged because of their biology - (not offered jobs because they might have a baby, at risk of birth injuries and poor after care, at risk of severe side effects from drugs tested only on men, have their health concerns dismissed (and even ignored) routinely, earn less than men, are subject to a disproportionate amount of austerity cuts, are likely to carry the mental load in the home, are likely to deal with the brunt of childcare because of societal expectations of gender role, are more likely to face violence and even death at the hands of their intimate partners, and I could go on in this vein for hours!).
The more I've learnt about the current trans agenda, the more horrified I become.
I have no political home, now that all parties have happily shoved women, sorry, non-men, under a bus.
Mumsnet was one of the last bastions of sanity, where it could be stated that a spade is a spade, one of the places where we can discuss this issue that has the potential to negatively impact many females.
Up until reading of the new moderation guidelines today I would have thought that moderating a largely female group's language to spare the feelings of a few men whose campaigns threaten the meaning of the word "woman", let alone the future successes for potential female athletes, politicians and others in male dominated careers. A campaign that threatens the safety of vulnerable women with no care at all for an abused woman's feelings, women who quite possibly may have turned to MN in their initial hour of need. A campaign that threatens to overturn carefully created safeguarding protocols put into place to protect our children. A campaign that has frozen out all official opposing contributions from women, and led to the suspension from outspoken women, and job threats, doxxing, rape and death threats, and actual violence.
I would have bet my last penny on MN standing up and pointing out that it wasn't in the spirit of the site, because prioritising the feelings of men and warning posters that certain words (Words! ffs!) cannot be used because they might be hurtful to those pushing this campaign, and labelling any opposing voice as bigoted hate speech - both well known abuse tactics I might add (thanks to MN for teaching me that...).
It's fine to delete personal attacks, as it always has been.
It's not ok to moderate women correctly calling a man "a man".
It's not ok to moderate misgendering when to many of us it's forcing us to lie. I am autistic, I find lying difficult and it leaves me feeling very uneasy and can have long term stress consequences - are you asking me to lie? Do I get a reasonable adjustment?
Gender means nothing. It's regressive and damaging. I am stunned that this country has got this far in this agenda. It's sinister, and even worse, we are not allowed to discuss it openly and clearly.
I'm so disappointed in you mumsnet.
It's horrible to see so many people blindly go down the route of forgetting what it is to be a woman.
I'll probably regret posting this. It's an emotional outpouring, but I feel this is a subtle move towards MN saying transwomen are women, when everyone knows they're not!

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BaronessEllaSaturday · 13/06/2018 22:37

I don't identify as female, I don't dress feminine, I don't particularly act feminine , I'm just me but my DNA declares me to be female.

I'm not feminine but I am angry and I am Spartacus

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ToeToToe · 13/06/2018 22:37

Until the grownups step in and say to these insolent men 'no, you can't use their name for yourself. It doesn't apply to you. It's theirs. You aren't like them. Leave them alone. Make your own word up'

Yes. So beautifully phrased.

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AngryAttackKittens · 13/06/2018 22:38

YY. Trying to placate bullies doesn't work.

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ProfessionalBarren · 13/06/2018 22:43

I am Spartacus. A really fucking angry Spartacus. How can it have got this far this quickly?

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RubyShooFan · 13/06/2018 22:43

JoyTheUnicorn never seen you post before but your post is absolutely brilliant! I hope all the lurkers are reading it.

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ToeToToe · 13/06/2018 22:45

JoyTheUnicorn, that is a splendid, heartfelt post.

I hope MNHQ read it and take note of it.

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PermissionToSpeakSir · 13/06/2018 22:47

joy your outpouring is welcome.

Why should women always be the ones to suck their distress back up but the men get to have their way by threatening suicide?

I am distressed. I am not bullshitting. I don't want to participate in lies. It is a deep assault upon my innermost being. I am upset and let down by the disingenuous 'supporting free speech and right to discuss science' only as long as you avoid the key descriptions required to do so. SadAngry

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Theinconstantgardener · 13/06/2018 22:49

Joy
Well said

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TransplantsArePlants · 13/06/2018 22:49

Great post Joy

Mean who believe themselves to be women are not women

I'm Spartacus

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TransplantsArePlants · 13/06/2018 22:50

men who believe themselves to be women, are not women. They are men (who believe themselves to be women)

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TimeLady · 13/06/2018 22:50

Don't any of the senior management team at MNHQ have daughters? Sod the business, can't they see the future implications for them?

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SarahCarer · 13/06/2018 22:51

I am Spartacus

Gender is a social construct which requires language to exist

You cannot be born with a gender

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Noqont · 13/06/2018 22:55

I am Spartacus.

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thebewilderness · 13/06/2018 22:55

@MNHQ is using the protected characteristic of gender reassignment to discriminate against the sex based protection women are entitled to.

Did your attorneys actually ok throwing women's rights and free speech under the bus to accommodate abusive males?

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Artemis7 · 13/06/2018 22:57

A male is not and can never be a female. We should not be forced to pretend males can be girls/women/lesbians, they cannot, only females are these things.

Males whatever they call themselves do not belong is female spaces.

These males are behaving no differently than abusive men have done throughout history; trying to force women into submission, I refuse to submit to male demands, I will not pretend a male is female.

I am Spartacus.

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dianebrewster · 13/06/2018 22:58

I am a woman, an adult human female. I am also a scientist. Human beings cannot change sex, this is a biological impossibility.

We are being gaslighted by MRAs.

I am Spartacus

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WidowWadman · 13/06/2018 22:59

Have you guys twigged that Spartacus was a dude?

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Should1stayorshould1go · 13/06/2018 23:01

Still Spartacus
Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent

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Should1stayorshould1go · 13/06/2018 23:03

Widow Wadman Shock
Did you just assume Spartacus's gender?

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IrisAtwood · 13/06/2018 23:03

I am a woman, an adult human female. I am also a scientist. Human beings cannot change sex, this is a biological impossibility. We are being gaslighted by MRAs.

I am Spartacus

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LangCleg · 13/06/2018 23:04

Glitterball of a post JoyTheUnicorn.

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