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I am a science teacher teaching secondary sex education and genetics
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Clairetree1 · 10/06/2018 10:12

Ever single time. Every single time. Every single time.

I am being asked how men turn into women.

I say they can't. They turn into transwomen. These are men who change their bodies to be as much like women as possible, but are still men.

Every single time I teach pregnancy I am asked how men can do it.

Every single time we go through genetics I get a shocked response for saying "this is male, this is female"

Every single time I make any distinction between male and female I am asked "are you allowed to say that?

I equate being ordered to teach that men can become woman to previous generations of teachers being ordered to teach nazi race science.

I am quite sure I will be sacked one day

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TornFromTheInside · 11/06/2018 22:06

Inspired by Barrack.

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Ereshkigal · 11/06/2018 22:08

Very good!

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pombear · 11/06/2018 22:15

"a GCSE explanation of gender and sex is used to justify a basic "belief" that trans women are not exactly what they say they are from their knowledge of who they are i.e. that trans men are men and trans women are women"

That's right: GCSE ie: a scientifically evidence-based curriculum explanation of sex (not gender - that's political and sociological, not for science GCSE, that's potentially for PHSE, or whatever that's described as at the moment) justifies the fact not a belief that transwomen are not exactly what they say they are.

Unless we want to let creationism into the curriculum in the UK 'cos some people believe that over evidence too?

Science doesn't miraculously bend into something completely different the higher up you go in the curriculum. In A-level science, do they suddenly start teaching that, actually, transwomen might be what they say they are.

And then at uni, all facts are thrown out of the window and people's declarations of what they say they are, based on their "knowledge of what they are" replaces facts?

a lot of people got burned at the stake! You'll know from being in other social media that 'witch' analogy is actually being thrown at so-called gender critical women at the moment.

I think accepting trans people for who they are is liberating - I choose love.

I accept transpeople for wearing the stereotypes of the other binary. I embrace a wider spectrum of expression of identity for all.

I choose love, and compassion, and acceptance, over and above men tightening the straitjacket of feminine stereotypes, of bulldozing into the rights and safety of women and girls (and young boys who present as less than masculine).

I choose love to champion the safeguarding of children.

I choose love to stand up to people using manipulative language to try to deny the concerns of women and girls.

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Ereshkigal · 11/06/2018 22:20

And then at uni, all facts are thrown out of the window and people's declarations of what they say they are, based on their "knowledge of what they are" replaces facts?

Maybe not in science classes, but it certainly seems that unis are going that way in everything else!

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pombear · 11/06/2018 22:22

Yep Eresh that seems to be the trend!

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vickyjgo · 11/06/2018 23:07

Endocrine Society, representing the global medical consensus recently published guidelines stating

“The medical consensus in the late 20th century was that transgender and gender incongruent individuals suffered a mental health disorder termed “gender identity disorder.” Gender identity was considered malleable and subject to external influences. Today, however, this attitude is no longer considered valid. Considerable scientific evidence has emerged demonstrating a durable biological element underlying gender identity”.

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thebewilderness · 11/06/2018 23:12

Endocrine Society, representing the global medical consensus...
No, they do not.
Why do you lie when it is so obviously and clearly not true?

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mancheeze · 11/06/2018 23:15

Considerable scientific evidence has emerged demonstrating a durable biological element underlying gender identity”.


Hmm

To date, not a single scientist has explained the biological etiology of gender dysphoria. All we have is wishful thinking on this subject. Nothing remotely concrete.

It's a psychological disorder as classified by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of MENTAL DISORDERS.

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flowersonthepiano · 11/06/2018 23:31

I have a doctorate in medical genetics and a couple of decades of experience working as a genetics researcher in academia.

Everyone who is trying to tell you that science has discovered that humans are not sexually dimorphic is either lying or believing what they want to believe because it suits their ideology.

Please read the fab twitter thread posted by mancheeze up thread. Here it is again for anyone who missed it

I am gobsmacked at how far this has permeated into our laws already. The work of the transactivists is really very impressive in that respect. The science needs work.

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Terfulike · 11/06/2018 23:32

Look. The fact is they're getting near tour producing ova from male tissue.

I haven't actually read the paper, but, as a cell biologist, I know it is possible, and knew it would happen one day.

I am very depressed at present.

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Terfulike · 11/06/2018 23:36

All I can say is that I don't believe people with male socialisation should be impregnated. I'm actually lost right now.

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TornFromTheInside · 11/06/2018 23:36

So, science might one day manage to do what it cannot do today. No news there.
So if it can (in the future) turn me into a time traveller, that does not make a time traveller now.
If in 50 years time it can change a man into a woman entirely without trace, that still does not make today's man a woman.

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flowersonthepiano · 11/06/2018 23:40

It’s theoretically possible to re-engineer a male chimp cell to make a human ovum, if you use CrispR genome editing to replace all of the variants between humans and chimps. It doesn’t make male chimps women.

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mancheeze · 11/06/2018 23:41

@flowers

I was very impressed with that twitter thread. My specialty isn't genetics but psychology. I think we need to teach young people how to read scientific papers. I've seen transactivists post 'sources' and just make shit up about what the researcher's conclusions and so forth. I've even seen them link to things that conclude the opposite of what they're claiming!

I think one of the reasons they get away with it is because most people either don't care or they view this population as in dire need of protection ie. suicide threat manipulation.

Also, transactivists cleverly use children to act as a human shield. I've even seen parents arguing with doctors on Twitter!

Combine those two strategies together and you get the general public just going along to get along. I mean, who wants to be no platformed, called a transphobic bigot and the rest of the slurs like the hate filled 'TERF?'

I don't think this will last though. I think once the genpop recognizes the danger of allowing men free reign into female spaces as well as the constant winning of males in sports competitions, this is going sideways.

It's just a shame women and girls must bear the brunt of this horrific experiment on their rights.

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Terfulike · 11/06/2018 23:50

Thanks mancheeze

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Terfulike · 11/06/2018 23:51

I mean I know you were addressing flowers but that helped me.

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Terfulike · 11/06/2018 23:53

The thing is flowers there's no desire to make human chimp yet there a market for this other stuff

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Terfulike · 11/06/2018 23:55

I literally can't cope with this anymore.

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Terfulike · 11/06/2018 23:56

Not anything stupid just going from this thread

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flowersonthepiano · 12/06/2018 00:09

I've emailed you @Terfulike. Hope you're ok.

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Faceicle · 12/06/2018 03:30

Ironically, I would like the TRAs to be right. If we could diagnose transgenderism, or test for it, then all my fears around ROGD and self-id would be no longer relevant. But we are where we are.

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Clairetree1 · 12/06/2018 05:05

a GCSE explanation of gender and sex

gender isn't even mentioned at GCSE, and the GCSE explanation of sex is the same as the A level one, is the same asthe degree level one, is the same as the masters level one, is the same as the doctrate level one....

What I don't get is this.

Two pressure groups push ridiculous demonstrable false, politically motivated lies and propaganda in our society, in my experience, both dreamt up insane fictions, both who can quote misguided or sometimes downright malicious "research" and "science" to bolster up their fantasy and oppress more vulnerable people

One are TRAs, one are white supremacists

One is illegal and one is legal

make no sense really, other than if you wonder if it is because one threatens men and one doesn't

Still, I do think it is just a case of reality catching up, before both are banned.

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Clairetree1 · 12/06/2018 05:06

Look. The fact is they're getting near tour producing ova from male tissue.

I haven't actually read the paper, but, as a cell biologist, I know it is possible, and knew it would happen one day

human cloning has been possible for decades, and it is banned on ethical grounds because it is recognisable as pure evil.

This is human cloning.

It won't happen, it is banned worldwide

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Clairetree1 · 12/06/2018 05:10

Everyone who is trying to tell you that science has discovered that humans are not sexually dimorphic is either lying or believing what they want to believe because it suits their ideology.

This is why TRAs will in the end be the ones erased.

What they are up against is not prejudice, or transphobia, or political opposition,

but fact

fact

fact

fact

and further fact.

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Clairetree1 · 12/06/2018 05:17

and along with their total misunderstaning and misinterpretation of science is their further failure to grasp how scientists work.

Mostly scientists are open minded and prepared to investigate new hypothesise, and give them consideration, no matter how far fetched they are.

I know I was always open to listen to trans -pseudoscience, and read up about it.

The reason I don't believe it is not because of any political or ideological belief.

The reason is because as a scientist, I have read up on all the research, and investigations done by other open minded scientists, and the whole paradigm has been demonstrated as false.

Well, that happens to a lot of new ideas, some turn out to be right, some turn out to be wrong, that is what progress is about.

However, I have come across very few instances such as this, where the wrong science is deliberately consistently and maliciously fabricated in order to further the political ends of one group of people at the expense of another.

Hence my reference to nazi race science in my original post, and my determination never ever to go along with it for an easy life.

i'll lose my job if I have to. I'll go to prison if I have to. I'll get burnt at the steak if I have to!

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