I am a science teacher teaching secondary sex education and genetics

[Clairetree1]

Ever single time. Every single time. Every single time.

I am being asked how men turn into women.

I say they can't. They turn into transwomen. These are men who change their bodies to be as much like women as possible, but are still men.

Every single time I teach pregnancy I am asked how men can do it.

Every single time we go through genetics I get a shocked response for saying "this is male, this is female"

Every single time I make any distinction between male and female I am asked "are you allowed to say that?

I equate being ordered to teach that men can become woman to previous generations of teachers being ordered to teach nazi race science.

I am quite sure I will be sacked one day

We had laws that prohibited women from the vote, discriminated against homosexuality and supported racism.
Please don't use the law as a yardstick for morality, and certainly don't use it as some evidence of what the public do, or do not believe.
Again, I'll repeat, nobody has an issue with someone wanting to be another gender - the motivations / reasons for someone wanting this are complex and not fully understood yet, but the science of sex is very well understood. We are simply asserting the scientific fact that a wolf that acts like a sheep, dresses like a sheep, and manages to live life as a sheep is still a wolf.

Exactly what fermat said

Transgender women are women: they may believe they are men, but they aren't. Transgender men are men: they may believe they are women but they aren't.

despite the law recognising this

The law does not recognise that people are the opposite sex. It entitles people to be treated under the law as if they were the opposite sex.

Tbh even if it did, it still wouldn't be true that

I think it is every teachers job to keep up with the science and the science on gender development in the womb shows that gender is developed by hormone washes so it is actually biological, there are plenty of studies out there that show this which really the curriculum should be keeping up with as should teachers in these specialist areas. Please be aware that if there if a trans child in your class they may be really struggling silently and your definition of gender will cause them further distress.

.. people could change sex, or have an opposite sex brain in their body. Neither of these things is true.

Oh no, we're back to fucking hormone washes in utero again.

You do realise, don't you, Vicky, that Bowl is a research scientist who actually works in this area and knows her stuff?

Also, while we're on the subject, can you explain to me how someone can "change sex". What happens? How does the XY pair of chromosomes turn into an XX pair of chromosomes or vice versa. How does the formerly male individual suddenly turn into someone capable of producing ova and gestating a baby to term? How does this happen? Assuming you literally believe it is possible to "change sex" presumably you have some of this new-fangled biology that will tell us all how it happens.

Ok ok I've read the whole 20 pages. I even read some of the not at all relevent bloody links. Now do I get my reward? Gib please tell us how humans change sex.

Bowl i know you cant drink it but think of it as a strengthening potion

Lang & Rufus you make me laugh although the cape comment wins the thread

daimbars
Most rational people recognise transgender people as being born in the wrong body. As does the law.

People dont! Not my multiple PhD holding psychiatrist aunt nor my left school at 14 janitor FIL.
The law doesnt either it offered a legal fiction to ease the lives of people medics said were suffering. It's not so useful now with pensions same sex marriage etc

Still hopeful on the sex change info Gib

The law also makes specific mention of transgender people in sport, and that they will allow them to be banned from sport (at the discretion of the sport's governing body). Ergo, they are NOT 'equal' and accepted as true women / men. The reason for this is obvious.

I think gib is fibbing

If you cant link to your own post

...The very post that would make everything clear...

...The very post that is the pinnacle of scientific facts on sex change...

That post

Then I reckon it doesn't actually exist

I did only cut and paste every post til page 11...so i look forward to being told that it was on page 12

Please be aware that if there if a trans child in your class they may be really struggling silently and your definition of gender will cause them further distress.

I've had a girl in one class who believed her baby brother was the result of an immaculate conception, rather than sperm meeting egg.

I've had an older teen who believed it was possible for pregnancy to last a full year, and was supporting a baby born after he had been in prison for a year.

I had a boy recently quite put out to learn about different types of blood cells, he only wanted one type.

I don't know how many children come in with a complete misunderstanding of colour, force, photosynthesis, everything, really.

I am a teacher. I educate. Where someone has a scientific misunderstanding I put it right. That is my job. Sometimes this upsets people. Should I lie, and let people continue with their delusions and misunderstandings?

absolutly not.

vickyjgo which section of trans people are you talking about with your hormonal wash?

The transsexual? (of which we are not meant to name as such anymore, as apparently it's outdated) the drag king? the Pip Bunce's of the world whose wash only seems to be laundered and hung on the line a couple of days a week? the cross-dresser with a sexual fetish? (and yes, as above, that's not me counting the cross-dresser in to the trans umbrella, the trans lobby told me they count as trans). All the above are defined as 'trans'.

Which of the above groups does the 'trans child' in that class count as?

Or is that child just a child who struggles to deal with the ever-tightening straitjacket of stereotypical gender roles that the transagenda is pushing onto so many of us who fought so hard to get rid of, with the aim of everyone being able to express themselves without being judged as 'not male enough' or 'not female enough'?

Not a great move, linking to this thread.

I'm not worried about being banned any more than I am about being sacked. I'd 1000x rather do the right thing and take the consequences than be one of those bullied and cowed into silence. We need to be brave about this, and speak up and keep speaking up

🙂 But if you argue publicly in the staff room, you might lose your job and won't be able to help the kids understand.

I believe there are thousands of women whose role is not to come out and organise talks or blog, or be visible in any way. They do so much good by working quietly.

Anyone tempted to read this thread will surely be disabused of their misconceptions.

Daim you wear me out. You never engaged with my questions on other threads about your sexist boy brain girl brain ideology. Your way of thinking is harmful to children. It contributes to GID especially in autistic children. It helps create the distress in those you pretend you're defending. You are deeply sexist.

Vickyjgo you should be ashamed of yourself

daimbars
Most rational people recognise transgender people as being born in the wrong body.

So at last we get to what you think being transgender is. In fact, most rational people do not think you can be born in the wrong body, as it is an entirely irrational idea. How would that happen? All of us have aspects of our bodies that we dislike. Does that mean that we are all born in the wrong body?

I see some of the posts on here and i wonder how the fuck these people are able to breathe and talk at the same time...and these are the sperm that won!!!!

Ok, I'm trying to catch up with the thread but now I've choked on my dipped chocolate chip digestive and there are soggy bits on my chin. STOP MAKING ME LAUGH!

You see, m'dear, what you don't realise about those winning sperm is that they self-identified in the sperm race. And swam all the quicker for the validation. If you had educated yourself on the science, you would know this.

daimbars - Most rational people recognise transgender people as being born in the wrong body.

Hahahaha no. Most rational people will question how this could possibly happen. Most rational people will question how you can have a 'person' that is independent of their body, such that they could be born into the wrong one.

This is a belief in souls. It's a faith based position and there is nothing rational about it.

As does the law.

Where does the law recognise that people can be 'born in the wrong body'?

How can you expect children to 'think critically' if you want to deny them the opportunity to hear both sides of a debate?

Because we're talking about bloody biology lessons not the Model UN, you utter numbskull! OMG. Am I seriously reading this nonsense?

I suspect they have the screenshot they were seeking.

I'm really looking forward to changing my sex, I've had all the children I'm going to have and no longer need my uterus or breasts. If I could change into a man now please I won't have to go through the menopause. I won't be an invisible middle aged woman. I won't feel depressed about putting on weight because as a man I won't be subjected to nearly as much scrutiny about my looks. I won't be the default parent who gets called by school to collect the sick child. I can prioritise my own career instead of accepting that it has to be combined with childcare responsibilities. I'll find it easier to get promoted and will earn more over the rest of my working life.

So, where do I sign up for this?

As a scientist is really worries me how much junk science such as hormone washes etc is now taken as gospel truth in this strange pseudoreligion known as trans activism.

It's especially irksome when a few people who obviously know fuck all about science are attempting to suggest that a jobbing scientist like Bowl doesn't know what she's talking about and try and prove it by posting entirely irrelevant links.

What it really proves is a desperate need to reify the gender status quo, something that is intensely harmful to women the world over and then pretending it is a great feminist act to do so. It is irrational to believe that anti-feminist actions can somehow be enormously feminist. This is not to say that you can't believe whatever you like; this, Santa, fairies at the bottom of the garden, whatever, what it expressly says is that in believing and attempting to make everyone else believe it by brute force if necessary, is the antithesis of feminist action.

Flipping heck. Someone upthread said there are hormone washes in the whomb.
Flipping heck..

I am about to regender my laundry with an HRT patch.

Just to add along with the standard pseudoscience word salad i also noticed the whole bimodal distribution and outliers nonsense, one to one mapping and i think a link to injective mappings on wikipedia. Oh, and the Bertrand Russell 1+1=2 stuff. Surprised they haven't tried adding in godels theorems yet. It's like flat earthers trying to call it a pseudoRiemannian two dimensional surface of non-positive curvature and hoping that will shutyou up. I'm waiting for the claim that sex is actually a quantum observable and if hadn't been for the naughty doctor prematurely collapsing your wave functions you'd be the woman you always knew you were inside,.........