I am a science teacher teaching secondary sex education and genetics

[Clairetree1]

Ever single time. Every single time. Every single time.

I am being asked how men turn into women.

I say they can't. They turn into transwomen. These are men who change their bodies to be as much like women as possible, but are still men.

Every single time I teach pregnancy I am asked how men can do it.

Every single time we go through genetics I get a shocked response for saying "this is male, this is female"

Every single time I make any distinction between male and female I am asked "are you allowed to say that?

I equate being ordered to teach that men can become woman to previous generations of teachers being ordered to teach nazi race science.

I am quite sure I will be sacked one day

From responses on this thread it appears that this is a problem at some schools but not (yet) others.

I wonder if there is any correlation with schools that have had their 'training' and those that haven't yet?

Still unsure what those who don't 'believe' in being transgender hope to achieve?
It's a pretty widespread phenomenon and unlikely to go away so the least we can do for our kids is educate them about it. Even if it's just the different opinions on the subject.

About the same membership level as the Flat Earth Society, which is also a widespread phenomenon.

You are absolutely right, Rufus!

I was going to check some of gibs posts

But im on page 11 and so far its

Post some random link that others posters seem to be able to disprove in seconds

And mention the word 'fuzzy' in respect of sex

Which just seem and bit odd and, excuse me for not knowing scientific terms, not scientific

I know it thebewilderness i bloody knew it

talking

Honestly...it worries me!!

How can you expect children to 'think critically' if you want to deny them the opportunity to hear both sides of a debate?

The debate isn't whether you can change sex, because quite clearly, YOU CAN'T. The real debate is on other issues, like medicalizing children, erasing biological sex class, the endless misogyny against women who don't want to share private spaces with men etc.

Your question is:

A question for those who got Transgender Trend's crowdfunder shut down.

A question for Ogre and his nonstop campaign to ruin a rape crisis centre because it won't admit men.

A question for those who put so much pressure on Michfest that it closed down.

A question for those 3 men who beat Maria Maclachlan at Speakers Corner.

A question for the folks who beat a lesbian a couple weeks ago outside a gay bar in St. Louis.

A question for Jazz Jennings and his publishers which promote falsehood and omissions to children though his children's book. Source:
www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/an-endocrinologist-studies-the-transgender-movements-most-popular-kids-book

Last, but not least, a huge question for medical 'professionals' that are KNOWINGLY giving children harmful blockers when we KNOW that studies conducted so far show that a good proportion of these 'gender confused' kids GROW OUT OF IT if left alone. Source: www.sexologytoday.org/2017/12/faulty-statistics-on-how-many-trans.html

Although treated differently, scientifically they probably have the same origin.

absolute rubbish, and the individuals I know with intersex conditions find this sort of pronouncement very deeply offensive and distressing

How can you expect children to 'think critically' if you want to deny them the opportunity to hear both sides of a debate?

but not every side of the debate warrants equal weight daimbars. should we teach climate change denial in schools? Flat earth? moon landings never happened?

are you really suggesting that we should be spending teaching time telling kids that maybe you can swap from being a person who produces sperm to a person who produces ova?

Still unsure what those who don't 'believe' in being transgender hope to achieve?

daim will you explain what you mean by transgender? You said upthread that it is not a mental illness except in people who are distressed by it. So what else is it?

Are you suggesting that children should be taught about cross-dressing fetishism in school?

@Torn
I think the 'brain' notion is really just an example of theoretical reasons for why someone might feel they're the wrong sex.

Yes. It's sort of an instant justification for this phenomenon. It's kinda like this old phrenology chart. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f5/Phrenology-journal.jpg/220px-Phrenology-journal.jpg

Ray Blanchard has put out a biological theory of male homosexuality but he's very cautious about extending this to transgenderism even though he sees sexuality in trans issues with his distinction between homosexual trans and autogynephilic trans. I hope that makes sense.

To advocate transitioning children it is necessary to believe that while transgenderism is not a mental illness it is a difference in physical brain development or formation the symptoms of which are infants opening their onsie and pulling the bows out of their hair and toddlers liking trucks instead of dolls or vise versa. All evidence to the contrary.

Pencils yy about the gender studies guy! Just lol at the idea that that’s any kind of scientific “evidence”!

Still unsure what those who don't 'believe' in being transgender hope to achieve?

Safekeeping of vulnerable women and children.
I should think by now that would be obvious to the meanest intelligence.

Still unsure what those who don't 'believe' in being transgender hope to achieve?

who doesn't "believe" in being transgender?

who doesn't "believe" in being transgender?

People who do not accept trans women as women and trans men as men; despite the law recognising this.

People such as Mancheze who refer to trans women as 'he' and think extremist TRAs actually represent the voice of trans people.

People such as OldCrone who dismiss it as 'cross dressing fetishism' or 'a mental illness'

People like Tornfromtheinside who don't think children are intelligent enough to grasp gender identities as it will make them too 'confused'

I don't get the impression these people believe transgenderism to be anything other than perverted men posing a sinister threat to women and children.

That is a gross misrepresentation of what people have said.

We have said we accept people wanting to be the opposite sex, and the law recognises THIS.
The law does not agree that a biological change occurs (although it's trying to gloss over that critical point)

Children are vulnerable. They are prone to being influence. We have a plethora of laws protecting them for this very reason. Please don't try to make out they are adults with adult rationale, they aren't. It's up to sensible adults to guide them. Not for people who want to claim black is white to have free reign over 'debates' in schools.

Most rational people think transgnderism is a mental illness that is chemically and surgically treated to relieve the symptoms.

Most rational people recognise transgender people as being born in the wrong body. As does the law.

I don't get the impression these people believe transgenderism to be anything other than perverted men posing a sinister threat to women and children.

Spectacular misrepresentation or misinterpretation.

SOME perverted men will use transgenderism as a means to conduct their activities, that is not the same as saying transgender people are perverts.

Transgenderism happens. Nobody here doubts it. They simply refuse to accept that an operation or a proclamation changes anybody's biological sex. Nobody's against someone living as a man/woman, dressing as they please, having relationships as they please. They are simply against the claim that having an operation and living life as the opposite sex, actually makes them the opposite sex. It doesn't.

What's so difficult to comprehend about that?

People like Tornfromtheinside who don't think children are intelligent enough to grasp gender identities as it will make them too 'confused'

Have a conversation some time with children who have recently found out they have been lied to about santa and the tooth fairy. Then come back and we can talk about children being confused and angry.

I don't get the impression these people believe transgenderism to be anything other than perverted men posing a sinister threat to women and children

I don't think anyone here thinks that transgenderism is solely made up of such individuals daimbars, but I'm completely clear that the movement as currently defined contains a sizeable contingent of such people.

I believe your beef may be with Stonewall. They are the people who assure us that that trans umbrella includes individuals who do not suffer from gender dysphoria.

Most rational people recognise transgender people as being born in the wrong body. As does the law

The law actually says people are born in the wrong body..the actual real law?

And its rational to think that you can be born in the wrong body and its absolutely no way ever just you thinking you have the wrong body p?

Alrighty

I would honestly love a link to the actual law that says people are definitely born into the wrong body and any links to a poll which has checked with any rational people that think thats its rational to believe in the worng body theory

Please and thank you

How are you born in the wrong body...is it like a soul?

I really despair of the stupidity of people who say "GC feminists don't believe trans people exist."

I believe Catholics exist. I do not, however, believe in "One god, the father, omnipotent, maker of heaven and earth, and in Jesus Christ his only son, begotten not made, born of the Virgin Mary..." etc. etc (sorry, may have got the creed a bit garbled, but you get the gist).

Similarly, I believe trans people exist. Obviously. I have known quite a few - very nice people they are too, the ones I know personally. I just don't believe transwomen are literally women and transmen are literally men. They are people who would like, for various reasons, to live according to the conventions our society ascribes to the opposite sex. But they don't become, they cannot become, literally the opposite sex. That's not denying their existence. It's just disagreeing on a conceptual framework about how to understand their existence.

And - importantly - there are many transpeople out there who would agree with me on this one. Miranda Yardley, several of our regular posters on here (such as Curry, Truscum etc.)

And again, misrepresentation through your post daim though you seem reluctant to address the evidence presented to you.

despite the law recognising this Stonewall includes in its definition of trans cross-dressers, drag, neutrols. The law does not currently recognise the wide umbrella of 'trans' that trans activists want females to open their spaces to.

extremist TRAs actually represent the voice of trans people We hear other voices, such as Miranda Yardley, Kristina Harrison, the Rose of Dawn, but they don't seem to be saying what you want them to be saying. I can't say I've seen any mid-ground, as the extremist voice 'transwomen are women and have always been female' seems to be the mainstream.

cross-dressing fetishism Tara Hewitt, a high-profile advisor and trainer on transgender issues, is on film including cross-dressing as a sexual fetish in the very definition of 'trans'.

I shook my head sadly at your last comment. I see so many of the women, and some men, who are raising concerns around the safeguarding of children, and safety of females, as people who have been champions of equality and diversity for so many years on so many issues. Including me.

The fact that this issue is specifically causing many of those same people to raise concerns and worries, demonstrates the difference in this issue.