I am a science teacher teaching secondary sex education and genetics

[Clairetree1]

Ever single time. Every single time. Every single time.

I am being asked how men turn into women.

I say they can't. They turn into transwomen. These are men who change their bodies to be as much like women as possible, but are still men.

Every single time I teach pregnancy I am asked how men can do it.

Every single time we go through genetics I get a shocked response for saying "this is male, this is female"

Every single time I make any distinction between male and female I am asked "are you allowed to say that?

I equate being ordered to teach that men can become woman to previous generations of teachers being ordered to teach nazi race science.

I am quite sure I will be sacked one day

I also love when TA's say 'sex is assigned' as if doctors have multiple choices to choose from and just randomly pick something from their imagination.

Sex is OBSERVED, not assigned. It's the observation of the material differences between TWO FORMS (dimorphism).

What is noticeabe is that while I have been linking to scientific studies those on the other side are offering nothing

If sex really is just assigned then every health care professional who 'assigns' female to a child is guilty of child abuse, due to the extreme disadvantage it confers.

There is no "other side" gibbity.
There is material reality and delusional disorder.

we are sooooo helpful

Absolutely mancheeze

Also language has differences in cultures and countries. The default language on this planet is Mandarin (all parts) and Spanish, then followed by English.

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The horror of it is that there are lobbyists going round to schools inculcating this disorder in healthy children just as society induces anorexia in children.

Who is responsible the people training, who I assume are doing this for financial gain or both the people training and the professionals who are doing this for virtue cookies, trained in FII and still don't see they are being trained to ignore safeguarding, to fabricate an illness and in some cases to medicate to induce illness?

Intersex people are male or female. I don't know why they are described as outliers. They are male or female people with chromosomal conditions. They are within the binary.

They do have a chromosomal sex but they are RARE, and that's why I use the term outlier. If you claim something is an outlier in a distribution you can then show that the outliers don't disprove the general rule.

It's a technical argument.

If you look at a bell curve, you'll see male and female clustered in the center of the curve. Then you will see the rare conditions at the tails.

Ah ok 👌

"I also love when TA's say 'sex is assigned' as if doctors have multiple choices to choose from and just randomly pick something from their imagination".

Sex is assigned - see British Medical Journal from 1966. That's before there was any trans-activism so nobody can accuse the author of being conditioned by trans activists. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1944789/

Sex is assigned by biology. You must know this.

What is noticeabe is that while I have been linking to scientific studies those on the other side are offering nothing

I'm offering all my knowledge of psychology and statistics as I have a degree in said discipline.

You are offering nothing but flimsy 'studies' and opinion pieces that have little or no control groups, questionable methodologies, low N count (subjects) and poorly framed hypothesi.

Gib you obviously believe the women of Mumsnet are stupid just by going on your links to 'scientific studies'.

"If you look at a bell curve, you'll see male and female clustered in the center of the curve. Then you will see the rare conditions at the tails."

How can sex be represented on a bell curve?

That's about intersex conditions? Why did you link.

mancheeze put the cross post much better!

Sex is not assigned. We aren’t picking teams for netball. Sex is observed at birth.

I’m still waiting for a concise layman’s explanation of how a human can change sex. The nobel comittee will be able to stop their deliberations for the year and go and have a nice Öl in the sunshine.

Science teachers should teach science based on evidence and not their personal bias, and that works both ways.

Biological sex defined by reproductive role is very convenient for the majority here but, from what I can see, biological sex is assigned based on a combination of chromosomes, endocrinology and genitalia. At the moment one’s chromosomal sex is fixed but one can change both the genitalia (at least superficially) and the circulating hormones and, thus, secondary sexual characteristics.

Equally no biology teacher should be saying that ‘gender is a tool of the patriarchy’ as one above is claiming to. Gender (or gendered behaviour) has not been proved to be a ‘social construct’ any more than it has been proved to be entirely innate. The debate is still very much alive on this.

Any teacher should be giving facts as facts and allowing debate where debate should be. Brainwashing (regardless of how strongly you personally feel about something) is not teaching.

"You are offering nothing but flimsy 'studies' and opinion pieces that have little or no control groups, questionable methodologies, low N count (subjects) and poorly framed hypothesi."

Then link the studies which show that there is no correlation between gender variance and genetics and the ones which show that human sex is strictly bimorphic. Show me what properly evidence-based studies look like.

Sex is assigned - see British Medical Journal from 1966. That's before there was any trans-activism so nobody can accuse the author of being conditioned by trans activists.

How much do you want to bet, that I spend the time reading all this and it doesn't say what the poster thinks it says?

Quote something from your 'study' to prove your point. I'm not on this board to spend time reading all the 'studies' TA's point to when I know that many times they don't claim what you think they do.

You aren’t offering peer reviewed scientific consensus, clearly explained in your own words. You’re popping down links from the TRA Big List Of Links without understanding or interpretation of what they mean.

So: humans. Changing sex. How does it work?

The proof that sex us dimorphic and based on reproductive role is the existence of the human race.

I’m new to this whole thing and have learned a lot. Embarrassingly I did think that intersex was the same as transgender!
I’ve a lot reading still to do. Why would anyone want to change the sex they were born with? That’s the question I need to explore.

"Biological sex defined by reproductive role is very convenient for the majority here but, from what I can see, biological sex is assigned based on a combination of chromosomes, endocrinology and genitalia. At the moment one’s chromosomal sex is fixed but one can change both the genitalia (at least superficially) and the circulating hormones and, thus, secondary sexual characteristics."

I suggest you swap " chromosomes " for genes and add epigenetics and hormonal balance during pregnancy but in essence you are right

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