I am a science teacher teaching secondary sex education and genetics

[Clairetree1]

Ever single time. Every single time. Every single time.

I am being asked how men turn into women.

I say they can't. They turn into transwomen. These are men who change their bodies to be as much like women as possible, but are still men.

Every single time I teach pregnancy I am asked how men can do it.

Every single time we go through genetics I get a shocked response for saying "this is male, this is female"

Every single time I make any distinction between male and female I am asked "are you allowed to say that?

I equate being ordered to teach that men can become woman to previous generations of teachers being ordered to teach nazi race science.

I am quite sure I will be sacked one day

daim

Believe it or not this is a public forum, accessible to millions of people.

I have heard transgenderism is caused by hormones in the womb too.

Utter nonsense and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for posting this if you want to be taken seriously.

Hang on in there Bowl - watching this as a physicist is like watching someone with a background in relativity theory try to explain to a flat-earther why they are stark staring bonkers - kind of equal parts funny, frustrating and scary to know there are people who are that wilfully stupid.

Do you remember Brown calling a woman a bigoted and ignoring the concerns of a large group of people?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5827177/Gordon-Brown-says-Jeremy-Corbyns-popularity-just-phase.html

Do you remember the Poll Tax riots during the 'reign' of Margaret Thatcher?

Which has nothing whatsoever to do with the price of fish. Though milk is shockingly expensive now.

Ok, so we are backdating this to the womb, so, explain to me (birdbandit) what's happened to my husband of 20 years.

who has in the last 4years suffered a huge depressive illness, developed a coping strategy/obsession with porn, specifically transvestite porn, not sought help until crisis point. Became abusive. Then became a cross dresser, and then he found out from all his pals online that he could circumnavigate the bad thought about sexually motivated cross dressing, turn it around, get all the accolades living full time his Fetish life, by calling himself "trans".

Has his genetics changed? Is he now a woman? And all the other wives out there with the same story, we really want to know, are our abusive AGP husbands and ex husbands, now women?

And am I bad for remembering him as the brilliant man he was before he got ill?

This trend will phase out, just like Teddy boys, Punks, Goths and Emos. Politicians will sit in an interview saying, "lessons will be learned" and "We didn't listen adequately to the concerns of feminists".

bqhl

Er, chill.

If someone said I sounded like a TRA, I'd shrug and say I wasn't. Because I'm not.

You're making WAYYYYY too big a deal of this and derailing the thread.

Are you fucking kidding me. This is the poster whose greatest contribution to this thread was this:

Derailing much?

Whereas I was analysing documents from exam boards and the Dept for Education concerning their Biological content (see early pages of thread). I took half an hour out of the thread to research, and prepare, a precis of all Biology learning objectives from the DoE website which were in any way relevant from Year 1 to Year 11. I thought it was important and relevant to the OP, who was basically saying she felt she might lose her job for teaching Biological facts. I felt it was important to reassure her that the exam boards and DfE are okay with this. At least in our subject. Glad my attention was brought to the fact teachers are feeling like that. Bloody important stuff this is.

I get called a Transactivist.

Am I being thick or am I being gaslighted?

My point is, this isn't simple and folk like Daim who make simplistic statements, (cross dressers are not trans) to virtue signal their progressive stance on gender politics, are doing a disservice to the kids who will end up sterilised because they don't understand there is a bigger picture.

And a round of applause to the OP, a teacher who is trying to prevent these sterilisations through ignorance.

Yes thank God for the OP. If it wasn't for her our kids would all be sterilised by now

Ah, my greatest contribution, thank you if you watched it you'd see where the "with science" reply came from. But in answer to your question, it's definitely not the latter

Daim, that's genuinely interesting I wouldn't think TRAs are the equivalent of ISIS. What do you think they do that's unacceptable?

A scientist will define human sex by XX or XY.
Others might offer less conclusive suggestions that XX or XY merely define our bodily form, but not our 'soul' (for want of a better word).
The 'trapped in the wrong body' feeling is always going to be difficult define scientifically, and one day, maybe science will discover more about how we think and feel.

But there has to be a moral responsibility for a teacher to teach facts (as we know them)? Maybe there is some scope for discussing theories, after all, that's where new science is discovered - but first and foremost, we have to lay the foundations with facts.

The current trend of trying to homogenise sex or make it fluid is a social trend. Maybe a suitable subject for social science, but not one for biology.

Daim, you really are a peach.

Have a look at my life, not just your immediate circle:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3101834-trans-widows-escape-committee

daimbars
As there are a number of group of people rushing round schools promoting the unethical medicalisation of children with untested drugs we do have to thank all the teachers teaching scientific and biological facts and trying to undo some of the harm being done by the TRA bigots and fantasists.

Oh I'm thick now am I. Thick and in tears.
Not everyone has an ego like yours.

"But there has to be a moral responsibility for a teacher to teach facts (as we know them)? Maybe there is some scope for discussing theories, after all, that's where new science is discovered - but first and foremost, we have to lay the foundations with facts."

And the fact is that there's not a one-to-one mapping between genotype / karyotype and sex

Diddlemethis

Thanks for your post. I've just spent the weekend in Cornwall meeting with the new SW group accompanied by the ex wife of a man who went through a similar process. Her most telling common about his experience of AGP which she obviously observed at close hand was that it is not a "transition", it is a complete mental breakdown.

Another trans widow stood up at meeting last night and recounted a similar experience.

Encouraging young boys to develop this fetish into a life long condition is not a positive approach to mental health.

The woman I met is developing ways of knowledge sharing on this subject, which she considers important as it has such a profound affect on children.

TomFromTheInside --your comment about gendered souls for me is the absolute crux of the matter. Transgenderism is skin to a religious belief. Individuals should of course be at liberty to adopt that belief system if they feel it helps them make sense of the world and feel more comfortable in their own skin.

But you can't legislate to force the rest of us to adopt that belief system, or even to pay lip service to it.

bqhl TRAs say and do all sorts of bonkers things. I even saw one meme that suggested all kids should take hormone blockers until they are old enough to decide their gender.

It's quite offensive to insinuate anyone who is pro trans is by default a TRA.

I think there is also a fear being trans is a cult sweeping the nation when it really isn't. Remember all the opposition to gay (male) sex becoming legal? People were worried young, impressionable men would be swept along by this new 'craze'?

The thing people like me pointed out is you would have to be really sure you wanted to have gay sex to do it. It's not something a straight man would dabble in before realising it's not for him.

The same with being trans. You wouldn't put those hormones in your body unless you were really bloody sure.

You will get nowhere with daims

diddlemethis

because posters like them don't listen and they don't care. Empathy bypass is big with posters like daims unless you have a penis.

It's like those posters who believe that if a man leaves his wife of 20 years he has done so because he is no longer getting any sex and he deserves a new life and it's all her fault for not providing the appropriate needs for him. The children will be fine with this because children are resilient.

Anyway I'm training to be a bioinformatician. I believe bioinformatics, in the form of Systems Biology, will be the scientific discipline which dispels TWAW once and for all. So I shall comfort myself with the thought that I may one day help the cause in that way. I'm obviously a crap poster and will try and become a lurker. I get lonely though as I don't get out much and get bored when I don't interact.

How can a child consent?

The same with being trans. You wouldn't put those hormones in your body unless you were really bloody sure.

How can people on the Autistic spectrum consent if they have been groomed?

Indeed Fermat.
I'm open to the possibility that one day we might learn there's more to why people are the way they are, but I won't be swayed until I see the evidence for it.