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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

I am a science teacher teaching secondary sex education and genetics

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Clairetree1 · 10/06/2018 10:12

Ever single time. Every single time. Every single time.

I am being asked how men turn into women.

I say they can't. They turn into transwomen. These are men who change their bodies to be as much like women as possible, but are still men.

Every single time I teach pregnancy I am asked how men can do it.

Every single time we go through genetics I get a shocked response for saying "this is male, this is female"

Every single time I make any distinction between male and female I am asked "are you allowed to say that?

I equate being ordered to teach that men can become woman to previous generations of teachers being ordered to teach nazi race science.

I am quite sure I will be sacked one day

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jgrobinson · 10/06/2018 17:14

One of the top British universities states that humans can change sex:

The Bluehead Wrasse fish is an important example of non-standard biological sex in nature. When aging, even after sexual maturity, some females may transition to become breeding males. The Bluehead Wrasse is not the only fish species to change sex. Some species of clownfish exhibit similar behaviour, with individuals changing from male to female. (Nemo’s father should have become his mother in the popular Pixar movie!) The Wrasse are not born with both male and female anatomy, but they change from one sex to the other in order to maintain a gender balance necessary for population stability. This process is called sequential hermaphroditism.

As with the human transgender population the transition is neither a decision nor choice they make. These sex changes are due to the levels of hormones in the environment, based upon the ratios between the sexes of Wrasse. A similar process is thought to be responsible for transgenderism in humans, but in this case due to the hormonal environment in the womb during development.

www.glam.ox.ac.uk/outinoxford-natualhistory

Pratchet · 10/06/2018 17:16

Very shameful
Also strawberries

TheHandThatRocksTheCradleRules · 10/06/2018 17:17

Grin @ adults that believe a male pelvis can change shape and magic up a female reproductive system each time a male says he is a woman.Grin

Kyanite · 10/06/2018 17:17

Children are now being taught biology by the likes of Riley on YouTube.

placemats · 10/06/2018 17:17

Unless there is some alien life form on this planet masquerading as human mammals that can change sex, I'm certain that's not going to happen Torn Giving out hope when there is none to give is cruel.

Terfulike · 10/06/2018 17:18

You cant just call someone an insulting name because of your feelz, there must have been a reason OR there was no reason so you should apologise to me.

For those who think I'm getting upset over nothing, reread the thread, and imagine how you would feel if you got called a Transactivist. I honestly thought this was a place to discuss feminism with other feminists. The biggest threat to feminism is Transactivism and to get called a Tra. I think you are thoughtless and unkind Pratchet. Once again Evidence. Forget the apology, the Evidence will do.

Bowlofbabelfish · 10/06/2018 17:19

jg

Firstly, no offence to the university of Glamorgan but to paraphrase John Lennon, they aren't one of the top universities in wales, never mind the UK.

Secondly. Wrasse are not humans.

Thirdly, The presence of exogenous hormones in the environment and substances that act like them is a big deal. However, they do not cause sex change in humans.

What they can do is cause disorders and errors of development. Hyospadias for example. PCOS seems to have been pinned down recently to overexposure to anti mullarian hormone in the womb.

But these are not changing sex. They are interfering with downstream processes and causing physical issues. That’s NOT the same as changing sex.

What the link is wondering (not saying by the way, it’s speculative) is that they think that some sort of hormonal imbalance may be responsible for transgenderism. Right now there’s no evidence whatsoever that shows that. It’s a theory.

Bowlofbabelfish · 10/06/2018 17:22

Just seen it’s not uni of Glamorgan so apologies for any slur on them.

Points 2-3 remain.

bqhl · 10/06/2018 17:22

Er, chill.

If someone said I sounded like a TRA, I'd shrug and say I wasn't. Because I'm not.

You're making WAYYYYY too big a deal of this and derailing the thread.

placemats · 10/06/2018 17:25

In response to that risible post by jg.

GibbertyFlibbert · 10/06/2018 17:25

"What the link is wondering (not saying by the way, it’s speculative) is that they think that some sort of hormonal imbalance may be responsible for transgenderism. Right now there’s no evidence whatsoever that shows that. It’s a theory."

No. It's science. But given people on this thread don't seem to care about science, I am not going to look up the references for you.

Clairetree1 · 10/06/2018 17:28

lots of animals can change sex. Animals who do not have genetically determined sexes, like humans do.

In some animals sex is determined by temperature, for example, or the population they live in.

There is not comparison between that and humans.

In humans, sex is genetically determined.

In humans having Y chromosome makes you genetically male. Not having one makes you female. That's all there is to it. Nothing "fuzzy" about it at all. A wide range of rare disorders and syndromes does nothing to change that.

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diddlemethis · 10/06/2018 17:29

I would really like to know how I could change my genetics and join the man team.

I'm totally fine about losing that extra rib my high school biology teacher insisted that women have, you know because Adam gave up one of his to make us women.

Again, please, how do I change my genetics?

Clairetree1 · 10/06/2018 17:30

No. It's science. But given people on this thread don't seem to care about science, I am not going to look up the references for you.

thats not true, there is no test for being transgender, none at all, hormone or otherwise, beyond asking someone how they feel.

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GibbertyFlibbert · 10/06/2018 17:31

"That’s NOT the same as changing sex."

Yes it is. The "cannot change sex" argument on this thread boils down to an adult cannot change from an XY to an XX karyotype. True. But there is not a one-to-one mapping between sex and karyotype. They are related things but they are not the same. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injective_function

daimbars · 10/06/2018 17:31

Interesting link, I have heard transgenderism is caused by hormones in the womb too.

Btw terfulike I sympathise as I've been called a transactivist a few times on here. Annoying isn't it?

TheHandThatRocksTheCradleRules · 10/06/2018 17:32

How do I increase the mass of muscles within my body, grow an Adams Apple, magic my female reproductive organs away and grow a pair? How do you manage to change sex?

bqhl · 10/06/2018 17:34

So do you see it as an insult daim? Confused

I'd have thought it described your position very well, and that you wouldn't have any issues with the concept?

placemats · 10/06/2018 17:34

Yes! I want to know how I can change my genetics and become male.

I've done with the babies and adoration of males now.

How do I get better paid and better recognition in society? I'd definitely fulfil the LGBT+ in any employment, regardless of demographic or age.

Clairetree1 · 10/06/2018 17:35

an adult cannot change from an XY to an XX karyotype.

XX and XY are genotypes, not a karyotypes

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GibbertyFlibbert · 10/06/2018 17:35

"In humans, sex is genetically determined.

In humans having Y chromosome makes you genetically male. Not having one makes you female. That's all there is to it. Nothing "fuzzy" about it at all. A wide range of rare disorders and syndromes does nothing to change that."

Even nearly 50 years ago the understanding of sex was much broader than that swarb.co.uk/corbett-v-corbett-otherwise-ashley-fd-1-feb-1970/

These days our understanding is much more advanced. You are quite simply wrong.

placemats · 10/06/2018 17:36

Gib has spent the last three hours at the University of Wiki and now thinks they are an expert in EVERYTHING!

GibbertyFlibbert · 10/06/2018 17:36

"XX and XY are genotypes, not a karyotypes"

Strictly yes, but it makes no difference

TheHandThatRocksTheCradleRules · 10/06/2018 17:36

Where do you source the superhero capes that make you change sex?

Pratchet · 10/06/2018 17:37

Last post on this: seriously, report me if you like. I've had people call me out with Hmm and all that and it's just dunno, not that big of a deal for me. I didn't realise you'd be really upset by it. On a recent thread people were ffs'ing at me because they thought I thought all the men in the Handmaid's Tale were good people. It didn't enter my head to ask for apology or 'evidence'. Anyway, if you want to DM or report, please do. It's not nice if you are carrying round an unhappiness away from the internet.

Anyway.