I am a science teacher teaching secondary sex education and genetics

[Clairetree1]

Ever single time. Every single time. Every single time.

I am being asked how men turn into women.

I say they can't. They turn into transwomen. These are men who change their bodies to be as much like women as possible, but are still men.

Every single time I teach pregnancy I am asked how men can do it.

Every single time we go through genetics I get a shocked response for saying "this is male, this is female"

Every single time I make any distinction between male and female I am asked "are you allowed to say that?

I equate being ordered to teach that men can become woman to previous generations of teachers being ordered to teach nazi race science.

I am quite sure I will be sacked one day

as an avid science fiction reader I'm fascinated by the idea of more than 2 gametes.

how does it work GibbertyFlibbert ?

do all the gametes need to be present for reproduction?

How does reproduction with more than 2 gametes work? Like, what goes in what hole if you get me?

can you make a baby with only a subset of the available gametes?

would that be ethical? are there any developmental consequences?

Pratchet
I see you haven't provided evidence of my TRA credentials yet. Would an apology be forthcoming?

Also, to suggest that a teacher telling us what year groups she taught would identify her is utter bollux.

It seems to me you just like criticising people.

Apology please. Evidence please.

Pratchet

Why is it an 'accusation'? Is there something wrong with being a transactivist in your view? Aren't you a transactivist? I wouldn't call it an 'accusation' to ask if someone was a 'women's rights activist'. What are you saying there?

I have these birds in my garden and the park opposite.

Apology? Is there something wrong with being a transactivist?

Can you take the conversation to a more private area?

All three of you!

oh fuck now we have to form a quorum to make a baby

Oh god. I pray for the self-discipline to walk away from this thread before I get a hernia laughing! My cheeks are honestly aching!

(Of course, I have no such self-discipline.)

Everyone not involved in this exciting discussion about multiple gametes, please kiss and make up!

I don't know whether anyone needs to give "evidence" Terfulike. It's a feeling you get from some posters. It's also not usually an insult, just a description, so demanding apologies is silly.

However, I meant to say when I saw your post upthread about being shaken and upset that I felt for you. I've felt like that sometimes, and I do think at that point it's usually time to take a break from the forum in question.

That's not a reflection on the specifics of the discussion going on today at all, just a general recommendation - life's too short to be that intensely upset by strangers making comments online.

Conception by committee... nightmarish!

Still waiting for an explanation of how XY individuals change to XX to change sex.

"People are born into AIS Gib, a distressing condition for any parent to have to be told their baby has. Those with AIS don't change into it at 3, 7, 9, 12, 16 or as an adult."

Sex is just an assignment to one of two fuzzy sets and that assignment can be wrong. Changing sex is reassignment to the other fuzzy set. That is scientific reality. You are simply arguing that the confidence level for the assignment of some data points (people) is higher than the confidence level for other data points. That may - or may not - be the case but that doesn't mean that changing sex - the reassignment from one fuzzy set to the other - is impossible.

Sex is just an assignment to one of two fuzzy sets and that assignment can be wrong. Changing sex is reassignment to the other fuzzy set.

But how? Sex isn’t assigned at birth it’s observed. So I was observed to be female at birth.

Now, how do I change into a man? I need to know.

I haven't seen the post where you were shaken and upset - I didn't realise. I am sorry if you were shaken and upset. That's not a nice feeling.

Can you take the conversation to a more private area?
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All three of you!*

That would certainly be an interesting meeting. I'm actually quite tempted

www.scientology.org.uk/faq/scientology-and-dianetics-auditing/what-is-the-emeter-and-how-does-it-work.html

Gibberty this may help you in your work. I find having a special machine for things makes them more scientific.

Changing sex is reassignment to the other fuzzy set

so you change from being able to produce sperm to being able to produce ova?

It's all so complicated and fuzzy and karotype-y and postmodern-y and not-for-the-great-unwashed-y. If you people weren't so busy being anti-trans-y, you'd have educated yourselves about all this fuzziness by now.

No, you complete wassocks! It's not! It's how babies are made. It's why you're here, talking such bunkum!

It’s scary shit when some adults cannot grasp the fact that no amount of surgery can turn a man into a woman or a woman into a man. It’s biological fact. It matters jack shit what the law says, the law cannot change scientific fact. People can choose to have surgery and live their lives differently than how they were born, but they cannot become the opposite sex, no matter what they do.

Our children need the truth, not some pc bs.

I was making most pertinent contributions to this thread from the beginning, and then suddenly get called a Transactivist by Pratchet.

Yes Pratchet I do find it insulting to be accused of pushing the cause of adults who try to erase women, lesbians and cause medical irreversible damage to kids. Yes it is an insult.

Evidence. Apology.

"as an avid science fiction reader I'm fascinated by the idea of more than 2 gametes."

I don't understand the relevance but, yes, gametes are also not entirely bimorphic en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germline_mosaicism

Sex is just an assignment to one of two fuzzy sets and that assignment can be wrong. Changing sex is reassignment to the other fuzzy set

Oh, pull the other one. Everyone knows its when a purple unicorn spreads pink glitter over a child, waves a wand and says "from henceforth little boy you will like playing with dolls and dressing up and shall become a little girl."

Sex is defined by reproductive role. Without reproductive role there is no 'male' or 'female'. If male and female are not defined by reproductive role, there is no object or concept of 'sex' to reside in the brain in any case.

Mosaicism in a sperm or ova doesn’t mean it’s not a female or Male gamete 🤦🏻‍♀️

Can't you simply explain you're teaching the science behind biology?
That's not to say that one day, science might make some new discoveries that open up a new understanding, but you can only teach the facts as we know them today.

The social behaviours around sex are another matter entirely, and if someone 'feels' like a woman despite having a male body, then that's not science (yet). If one day we discover there's a scientific reason for that, then great, you'll teach it, but until then, you won't.