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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Twitter taking action against accounts that deadname the Soham child murderer?

174 replies

LangCleg · 09/06/2018 18:35

Yes, apparently it is.

twitter.com/pamelacuna/status/1005072367918477314

(See second reply.)

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bd67th · 09/06/2018 22:57

@Bombardier25966 There's no need to discuss them at all. Why give a murderer anymore attention?

There is a continued need to discuss Huntley and h** transition because:

  • the NUS Trans campaign voted for prison abolition, which would release Huntley;
  • Action for Trans Health want all trans prisoners to be released (screencap at 3:34), which would release Huntley;
  • Huntley may request transfer to the female prison estate, which would harm women prisoners.
CristalTipps · 09/06/2018 22:58

there have been official channels of discussion opened regarding him being moved to a woman's estate

Well, I'm sure there are. Because God forbid you risk hurting the feelings of a man who says he's a woman. Worst thing you could ever be accused of, right?

What is this fear even based on? Big companies/institutions worried that teenagers will bombard their official twitter accounts and find some semi-obscure review site somewhere so they can 1 star them? It's not exactly IRA/ISIS level is it...

Pratchet · 09/06/2018 22:59

I support the families of Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman. That man should never go near women again and should never enter the women's estate.

Thesearepearls · 09/06/2018 23:01

I was genuinely wondering what it's peaked me might actually mean. It's something that you read, do a double take, start thinking about the Himalayas and Mount Kilimanjaro, when you realise that's not at all appropriate for the context.

Then I thought the poster might mean *it's piqued me" but that might not be right for the context either

Hang it all - what did it mean?

CristalTipps · 09/06/2018 23:04

Another worrying possibility is that women prisoners will be disadvantaged to protect male "trans" prisoners. Is anyone familiar with the history of H Wing Durham prison? It was a wing in Durham men's prison which became notorious for being inhumane. Several inmates killed themselves. So after urgent petitioning it was shut down. Then quietly reopened as a women's prison unit. Not only did these women face the exact same conditions as the men, they were in the middle of a men's prison and had male prisoners preparing their food. It stayed open for several years.

My point is we know that women will put up with a lot more while making less fuss. I could see women getting less time outside because the trans prisoners need to be looked after well or their fans will create social media uproar.

And a flipside to this is that if it ever becomes standard for self ID-ing transwomen to be placed in women's prisons, self ID-ing transmen could be automatically placed in men's prisons. And that doesn't bear thinking about.

Pratchet · 09/06/2018 23:05

It's peak trans - do you get it. It's a Damascene moment. After hearing more and more stories of transactivism, that make you question its moral compass, but still hold out and think, no, I still support trans rights against awful
feministas: then all of a sudden something comes along so hideous and shameless that it 'peaks' you. You see transactivism is all its men's rights awfulness and there is no going back.

speakingwoman · 09/06/2018 23:08

The quoted tweet shocked me.

LangCleg · 09/06/2018 23:21

I find it hard to believe that the reporting Twitter account is anything other than a parody. But the account does seem to have reported and has posted a screenshot of the report being upheld. Fifth columnist?!

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haXXor · 09/06/2018 23:39

Use the algorithm: login to Twitter, pick a tweet where this serial banner has said they reported someone, and report that tweet as targeted harassment (which it is, of gender-critical feminists). Then add four similar tweets to the report.

EmpressOfSpartacus · 09/06/2018 23:47

If it's true about Huntley possibly being moved, then TRAs are stuck between a rock & a hard place.

Either they support the most hated murderer in the UK, or they admit that women's concerns about self-ID have some foundation.

LaSqrrl · 09/06/2018 23:49

There is a continued need to discuss Huntley and h transition because:
- the NUS Trans campaign voted for prison abolition, which would release Huntley;
- Action for Trans Health want 'all' trans prisoners to be released (screencap at 3:34), which would release Huntley;

Wow bd67th, but not surprising. Just imagine the stampede of ladyfeels if that were to happen, particularly with selfID. About 80,000 new ladies, who would then be released. Such a comforting thought.

MrsDilber · 09/06/2018 23:53

I'm disappointed by the lack of backlash to this on Twitter.

He's the lowest of the low.

user546425732 · 09/06/2018 23:53

Huntley, whether identifying as male, female or a fluffy unicorn is scum.

JaniceBattersby · 10/06/2018 00:04

Gacapa is correct. I also know this to be true.

It’s very easy to dismiss this stuff as ‘tabloid rumour’. But actually, prisons will never confirm or deny any story about any specific prisoner.

This is a deliberate strategy on the part of the Home Office because then any story can be dismissed as ‘just’ tabloid journalism. Actually, most of the stories coming out of prisons, confirmed or not (and it’s almost always not) are true because the sources are very good. They’re prison workers who are absolutely fucking outraged about some of the stuff that goes on that cannot be reported for privacy reasons.

The stories are unsubstantiated because they cannot be publicly substantiated and it does not mean that they are not true. Tabloids (and broadsheets) must stil be able to print unconfirmed stories about what goes on in prisons because otherwise there would be no stories about what goes on in prisons and some stuff (like Huntley) is too important too go unreported.

Pratchet · 10/06/2018 00:12

Thanks Janice #smh

mancheeze · 10/06/2018 01:13

It's incredibly insulting.

Are we going to count his crime as a female one? This obliterates women's realities that it's mainly MEN who hurt us.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 10/06/2018 01:23

Peak Trans is that moment where you go 'Hang on a fucking minute - this shit has gone far enough.'

And if the possibility that that monster might get put in a women's prison after what he did to those two little girls in his bathroom doesn't make you do that then frankly there's no hope for you.

Pratchet · 10/06/2018 05:26

Thought: I bet the only reason there's a little local difficulty about this is transactivists are objecting to an official announcement and move because if the holy shitshow that will be brought down in their heads by the Times, the Mail, the Sun, Janice Turner, Hadley Freeman, Matthew Wright and Sky News.

Pratchet · 10/06/2018 05:31

that's nice

Maryz · 10/06/2018 07:05

Does anyone know whether "sex-change operation" as referred to in Pratchet's link means "fully removal of penis and testicles", because if it does at least that means one less "woman" in prison capable of raping others. Not that it makes that person safe to have around women - there will still be issues of size/strength/aggression/fear, but at least the penis as a weapon will be out of the picture.

However, these days, I suspect "sex-change" means merely breast augmentation and (in the case of celebrities) facial surgery. And if that's the case no-one should get it on the NHS. Whatever about removal of male organs being a "medical necessity" for the treatment of dysphoria, the rest of it is merely cosmetic and shouldn't be funded.

Pratchet · 10/06/2018 07:08

I hope it means full castration and penile inversion for this violent offender.

LangCleg · 10/06/2018 08:39

haXXor - is it possible that the Twitter algorithm has weighted "reputation scores" for certain accounts that would mean reports against them would be taken more seriously by the algorithm? For example, the number of accounts that block a particular user could be a weighted aspect if a tweet of theirs gets reported? (I'm thinking about the efficacy of the block lists so popular with TRAs.)

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SameTerfDifferentUserName · 10/06/2018 08:43

FFS! That scum bag is frequently ‘dead named’ on child protection courses I attend as a ‘lessons learned’ example. Concern for his ‘rights’ under data protection was what allowed him to get a job near kids in the first place!

LangCleg · 10/06/2018 08:54

That scum bag is frequently ‘dead named’ on child protection courses I attend as a ‘lessons learned’ example.

Which is exactly why we must oppose all safeguarding dilutions that are a consequence of transactivist demands. Regardless of Huntley, it's not about trans people; it's about abusers, whether or not they are trans.

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CaitlynsCat · 10/06/2018 09:37

Meanwhile on Twitter, this vicious antisemitism is completely ok (although Twitter have deverified him)

twitter.com/LouisFarrakhan/status/1004515781244280833

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