Liberal Democrats: ‘why are transphobes protesting? Because they are thick’

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In case anyone was hoping that the LibDems might offer some political sanity in turbulent times, don’t bother.

Their LGBT thread on why ‘transphobes’ - women with concerns - are ‘a bit thick’: Thread Here

We could do with a sensible third party in British politics. Too bad the Lib Dems keep ruling themselves out.

Picassos,

It is grim and I'm sorry to know about it and share it tbh, but I think every woman in this country should know how Sarah Brown - a long term prominent member of the lgbtlds (perhaps even a founder member?) and a person who is very likely to be behind the twitter account - thinks and speaks about and to lesbians and other women.

Until the lib dems stand up against this and disconnect themselves from Brown and their cronies at LGBTLDs, no woman should trust, work or volunteer for them, or vote for them. I spread the word about this person whenever I can and I hope that one day the LDs recognise what and who they've been sheltering and get rid.

Women are due an apology for this affiliation.

My impression, increasingly, is that there are a number of people with considerable political influence who seem more active in advancing trans rights ideology than the wider principles of the political parties that they represent.

This is my impression too R0wantrees. Entryism is a core tactic of trans activists, and they use their entry into political spaces to centralise trans in every issue and to marginalise and then kick out women.

There should be some kind of national service for politicians. You’re not allowed in a position of power until you’ve spent 6 months working the checkout at Tesco, delivering personal care in a home, or digging roads. Or have had a career in whatever your portfolio is

Any assertions about the effectiveness of 'case by case' risk assessments in homeless projects, women's refuge, prisons etc should be made by people who have experience of what these are, how they work in reality and a professionally informed understanding of safeguarding principles.

from Womans Place UK
womansplaceuk.org/the-silencing-of-feminists-silences-survivors/

An experienced & important voice to listen to:
(extract)
"I’m writing as a feminist who has devoted over two decades of my life to ending violence against women (VAW). I’ve worked in frontline services in both domestic abuse and sexual violence services across the country and now I head up a VAW sector charity.

I love my job, I am so lucky. It often surprises people when I say this, as they expect this type of work to be depressing, but that’s not how I look at services like ours at all.

The VAW sector supports women as they try to move away from abusive and violent perpetrators, working with survivors to break the silence that abusive perpetrators impose on them. There is nothing to compare to the moments when these women get their voices back and break free – and that’s why I love my job.

Unfortunately, in recent months the changes to the Gender Recognition Act 2004 and the incredibly toxic debate around the issue of ‘gender self ID’ has left many more women under a heavy veil of silence, particularly for those of us who work in the VAW sector. The dark, uncomfortable irony of this silence is not lost on me, nor is it lost on the many women in the sector I have recently spoken to about this issue.

As someone who has worked with many survivors of violence over the last two decades, I am terrified – both professionally and personally – about the impact of self ID on ensuring safe spaces are available to women who have experienced and are escaping male violence. Even without the legal changes to the GRA, gender inclusive policies are already happening in many areas, these changes are ahead of the law and already upon us. Moreover they do not appear to be slowing down...." (continues)

The day the trans activists can be encouraged to tell the public at large that if the don't believe a person with a penis is a woman then they're a "bit thick" is the day this gender identity edifice will really start to totter.

I've been voting LibDems for nearly two decades. No more until they start showing signs of critical thinking.

Weren't all the Lib Dem LGBT lot threatening to quit the other day because they didn't think the party were being hard enough on Tim Farron for cancelling his talk at an event they didn't like? They didn't think his apology was enough.

Also see response to Brian Paddick when he arranged to meet with people who held GC views including WPUK.

threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3226849-Lord-Paddick-resigns-the-LGBT-LD-executive

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3205343-brian-paddick-asking-for-feminist-views-on-self-id

That libdem account is breathtaking - what the fuck has happened to politics where such lack of personal restraint is allowed without consequences?

@bowlifbabelfish is bang on. Immature and reckless account showing no political nauance. They are now going through opposing tweeters accounts and retweeting them to followers.

What serious political party does that? Answer: the Lib Dems are not a serious political party.

I thought the Liberal Democrats were decent sorts of people. Utterly shocked and horrified by their behaviour, and the fact they've been able to get away with it under the official lib dem banner and ignored women who have pointed it out.

Brian Paddick behaved impeccably though. Listened to both sides, stood by his principles. That's what thought the LDs were like in general, but how wrong can one be.

@daimbar Trans lobbyists "Be" have been heard saying that when they get the GRA reformed, they will go after the sex exemptions in the EA next. Stonewall have also said that sex exemptions should be abolished. So the LibDems are not only being deliberately offensive, they are lying by omission because they ignore the fact that we know that the GRA is the starter and the EA is the main course.

It's a shame their Twitter thread is probably only read by gender critical people or TRAs. A classic line from another post "transwomen use gynaecologists too....."

bd67Th are you able to link to the relevant web pages rather than Mumsnet threads?

Is your google broken, Daimbars? Or your fingers?

Stonewall advocates abolishing sex based exemptions. Its in their submission to the women and equalities committee.

So you didn't look at both links then daim?

daimbar if it wasn't so much hard work actually clicking on links you would have found a direct link to the Stone wall page where they advocate removal of all sex based exemptions .

Here is is again www.stonewall.org.uk/women-and-equalities-select-committee-inquiry-transgender-equality

Excellent thread - thank you for posting.

And fair point about transphobes being a bit thick - they generally are.

I wouldn't argue that transphobes are thick

I would argue that a whole load of thick people throw the 'transphobe' and 'terf' words around willy nilly

Please people, don't report the goady post. It's much better for it to remain in place so people can make up their own minds.

Interestingly The libdems seem to be surveying members at the moment about this. I had an email on Sunday asking me to fill in the questionnaire.

The first question is

are you...
Male
female
Non binary
Gender fluid
Rather not say

The second question is

'Is your gender identity the same gender you were assigned at birth'

There's nowhere at this point to write that I wasn't assigned a gender at birth...

Anyone other members filling this in?

To be fair to Wakame, as they use male and female, man and woman very differently to most people, they may also be using the word "thick" to mean "able to critically evaluate and understand scientific concepts and ideas".

In case you don't have time to read the whole thing, here is the key part - the part people are upset about and yet which also sums up the whole absurdity:

"They’re protesting changes to an entirely different bit of legislation because they don’t want the Equality Act, which isn’t being updated anyway, to operate on the basis of SelfID, which it already does. We speculate that this is because transphobes are a bit thick."

However, when people complained about the word "thick", they did say:

"Perhaps “evil” would have been better than “thick”?"

Critical thinking skills are not exactly conducive to believing that people can change sex.

"Critical thinking skills are not exactly conducive to believing that people can change sex."

Ah, you must be one of those grade-school biology types who thinks human sex differences exist as a simple binary. I recommend some further research - try and get to university level biology - there are many wonders to discover.

Ah, you must be one of those grade-school biology types who thinks human sex differences exist as a simple binary. I recommend some further research - try and get to university level biology - there are many wonders to discover

I'm sure I read somewhere that there were complaints to the Lib dems about that Twitter account. The lib dems distanced themselves saying it wasn't an official LD account.

If thats true that doesnt get the LDs off the hook though. it's run by LD councillors and uses the LD Logo. So they could do something about it if they wanted to.