Paris Lees interviewed by Nick Robinson on Radio 4 now on.

[R0wantrees]

Just listening...

its worth listening to.

Paris says she's angry.

Is this an old one?

God what shit arguments PL is making!

Is this the one that was a podcast a while ago?

I switched off.

Over perfectly reasonable questions

PL asked Nick Robinson if he thought PL was a woman on the basis that PL said so... Awkward silence from Nick.

"Can't you see its the focus?"

It is all about presentation. Stuff facts or practicalities

PL was doing OK talking about gender dysphoria and about having made a physical transition but then Nick Robinson mentioned PL having said "I'm a woman because I say I am" and PL tried to make Nick Robinson say PL is a "woman". He made clear that he viewed PL as a transwoman but would use "woman" solely as a courtesy in certain circumstances.

PL on women's prisons: women kill women so are you saying women should be banned from women's prisons?

PL on changing rooms: ban lesbians?

PL: is it right to say black people shouldn't be Uber drivers?

PL: is it right to say gay people shouldn't be teachers?

Nick Robinson was rather bemused at how annoyed PL had got over being asked questions. Put him on the GC side (provisionally).

It will be avilable soon on catch up:

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b48kt2#play

Nick Robinson talks to the transgender rights campaigner, Paris Lees (and she explains why she doesn't like his line of questioning).

This is an edited version of a conversation recorded earlier this year for the Radio 4 podcast, Political Thinking with Nick Robinson. Episodes of the podcast can be downloaded from the BBC website or any podcast provider - see www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04z203l/episodes/player.

I just caught the end of this, & it seems it was more about how PL banged on and on and on after the interview. NR started off bemused and ended up amused IMO

PL's snort at the end of the official interview was hilarious

You can listen here: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b48kt2

Oh, cross post!!

Are gender critical women the only group the BBC insists HAVE to have an opposing viewpoint before they can be interviewed?
It seems odd that I've never heard a gender critical woman interviewed without them also plonking a transwomen in as well yet they happily have programmes of just trans folk.

It was a good job by Nick Robinson

NR is a 'good thinker' as it were

Have they left in the bit where Lees says they don't think going for self-id was a very good idea?

Are gender critical women the only group the BBC insists HAVE to have an opposing viewpoint before they can be interviewed?
It seems odd that I've never heard a gender critical woman interviewed without them also plonking a transwomen in as well yet they happily have programmes of just trans folk.

The BBC have been shockingly biased on this against even including reference to the impact on women or any of the questions around this. They have a duty to balance on controversial topics as well. Has got very slightly better recently.

Agree Nick did an outstanding job interviewing.

Embarrassing for PL when PL tried to make him say that PL is a woman. He so obviously didn't.
I think what it brought out the most was that they don't want a discussion. It's good for people to know this as some of them will wonder why.

Yy more please Nick. Comes to something when NE is doing better than woman's hour on a feminist issue.

NR not NE

The generational thing seems a prevelant narrative, I think PL narrowed this down to specifically age 40s & 50s.
Given the age of many of the TRAs who are spokespersons, consultants, politically connected etc it seems it may be aimed specifically at female born people.
I won't of course say women since TWAW.

It was quite a good interview (and got better as it went on) but Paris was allowed to say that certain things were 'the law' when they aren't. NR needs better briefing on law v polite because people are shit scared of causing offence conventions.

He really should have skewered PL when PL asked NR to decide if she was a woman or not.

Pratchet I think Woman's Hour has been saying a lot lately that is relevent.

Great interview today with Australian singer songwriter, Courtney Barnett on R4 Woman's hour. She discussed the influence of the quote:
Men are scared that women will laugh at them. Women are scared that men will kill them

and then performed live in the studio. Definitely worth listening to and she is on DJLippy's great feminist spotify list

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b4z02x