"Ireland has had self-ID for several years with no problems"

[Macareaux]

Is this true? (The no problems bit)

Firstly, how would we know?

Presumably incidents will be recorded/reported on as the self-ID'd gender. So these would likely be obscured in the larger cohorts of male/female. Additionally, given the resistance to things like research into detransitioners, etc, I doubt anyone is actually actively looking for potential consequences of self-ID.

Also - I understand that places like prison are still separated by natal sex in Ireland.

Denmark has self-ID, there's an informative video of a transgender woman (legally a woman), but has retained all male characteristics, discussing wanting to use the women's facilities:

Canada has self-ID too - there was a famous case of Christopher Hambrook claiming to be transgender to gain access to a women's shelter. torontosun.com/2014/02/15/a-sex-predators-sick-deception/wcm/127b4003-d06d-489d-9679-861651dd3160

To say there are no examples of negative consequences of self-ID is not true, in my view. Undoubtedly, most of the time there are no incidents.But it's the weird and extreme consequences one should also consider. And there are examples of lawsuits over gender vs biological sex related issues, so it's not just about physical incidents, but a social/economic ones. Take the recent case of a waxing salon being unequipped to provide a waxing service for males, as the only woman who worked there on the day was Muslim and declined (www.theblaze.com/news/2018/05/19/muslim-salon-technician-refuses-to-perform-wax-treatment-on-transgender-woman-complaint-filed).

Some threads

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3189795-Issues-with-gender-self-ID-in-other-countries

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3153964-Propaganda-Guardian-article-re-Irish-trans-self-id-law

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3141014-The-GRA-in-Ireland

@heresyandwitchcraft Presumably incidents will be recorded/reported on as the self-ID'd gender.

Not Ireland, but I was coincidentally just reading this a minute ago:
"A Wrexham woman dragged her mother upstairs by her hair during a prolonged attack on family members, a court heard."

That would be Callum, their male-born son, with previous charges of assaulting then. Hasn't even bothered to lose the male name, the contempt is so great.

www.leaderlive.co.uk/news/16269673.Wrexham_woman_dragged_her_mum_upstairs_by_hair_in_violent_attack_on_family/

I dont trust any of it

Ive seen too many articles in the papers about a few 'female' criminals and crimes that turned out to be transwomen

I hate it when people try and do a 'gotcha' moment and ask for proof that any transwomen are committing crimes when i know damn well that they are being reported as 'female' crime

Thanks for that example.
I also came across another video of the Danish trans woman above (Ibi-Pippi).

I don't know when she transitioned, so it's unclear what she means by heterosexuals, but here she is declaring the first heterosexual parade open. As she doesn't think it's fair that only "gays" get their own parade. (I understand a bit of Danish)

The press retorts will be about women not men, the police will record complaints as transcribe hate crimes, how exactly is an actual woman going to be able to record any problems?

The Irish population is tiny compared to the UK population, rural, everyone will know everyone and non transient. Any problem transwomen will be given a quiet talking to, by the men so nothing will be recorded.

Several years? Not even 2.

On 15th July 2015 the Gender Recognition Bill completed its passage through the Oireachtas and was sent to the President for signature. The Act was commenced in September 2015. The Department of Social Protection stated that 198 people had been legally recognised from 4th September 2015 - 31 December 2016. Of these 8 individuals were 16 or 17 years old.

source: www.teni.ie/page.aspx?contentid=586

Ibi-Pippi is an artist and I strongly suspect they were making a point (I don't think they really are trans) of course if someone know differently??

Oops, not even 3.

I am Irish and I am furious that trans m2f are distorting crime statistics like this.

The only evidence we have for all the problems that have been created is anecdotal because the new gender laws report transgender identified male criminals as female.
In Canada the ethical publications have begun including photographs of the suspect so that people can see that they are in reality a transgender identified male despite being described as a woman in the police report.

Biometric ID cards here we come

The Irish population is tiny compared to the UK population, rural, everyone will know everyone and non transient. Any problem transwomen will be given a quiet talking to, by the men so nothing will be recorded

Have you even been to Ireland? Dublin has half a million people living there. You remarks are borderline racist.

Also there would be no reported problems if women who for religious or personal reasons just stop using services / places where the male sex could be present. A lot of Women would lose their ability to participate in public life. That's a real problem but no-one's recording that.

In countries with self ID, voyeurism and indecent exposure in female spaces have been legalised. Reporting them has been criminalised. On the other hand, indecent exposure and voyeurism in public spaces is still illegal, and reporting them is not a hate crime. So you'd expect these crime numbers to fall.

There is no way of recording how many women are hurt, humiliated, distressed, traumatised or otherwise upset at sharing spaces with fully intact males.

@N0tLinked1n what about the F2M as well?

Well most violent crimes, almost ALL violent crimes are commited by men. ie, people who were born men.

As far as I know trans criminals still go to the jail of their natal sex.

The other stuff I'm not sure of. Ireland has a tiny population compared to the UK.

I don't seem to meet any trans people.

"Biometric ID cards here we come"

When we had Citizens Cards several years ago they were a godsend to the gender fluid - they could get a female Citizen Card without changing their driving licence, passport or birth certificate. Several took the opportunity to get bank accounts set up in the alternative gender.

Canadian authorities recently announced they would begin segregating people in jails and prisons by gender rather than sex.

Yes OP it's true. There will be many posters who will try their best to tell you otherwise but there have been no reported incidences of anyone abusing self ID in Ireland.

The people to check with would be Women's Aid Ireland. They are more likely to hear about abuse than any other now that saying no to men is a crime.

@PercyAndFriends The Irish population is tiny compared to the UK population, rural, everyone will know everyone and non transient. Any problem transwomen will be given a quiet talking to, by the men so nothing will be recorded.

Seriously? You think your neighboring country is made up of a selection of villages where everyone knows everyone? The ignorance and lack of education you display reflects badly on you - you come across as racist.

Daim: indecent exposure and voyeurism are now legal in female spaces. Hence nothing to report! Voila - trans away the problem.

There will be many posters who will try their best to tell you otherwise but there have been no reported incidences of anyone abusing self ID in Ireland.

If gender identity is a deeply personal thing. If nobody is allowed to question your gender identity. How could you prove that somebody is abusing Self-ID?

We are told we must accept as women males who rape women. A male who likes to masturbate wearing underwear belonging to teenage girls. Males who get a sexual kick out of wearing soiled sanitary towels and sticking used tampons up their arseholes. What does a man have to do before he can be accused of making a bad faith declaration?