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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Magdalen Berns is back!

164 replies

nolongerblue · 04/06/2018 19:11

Hoorah!

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thebewilderness · 06/06/2018 03:56

BlackShutters

I think that is a strong possibility.
The EEOC has been coming down hard on employees dress codes the past few years.

"Illegal Workplace Discrimination

Federal law prohibits employers from discriminating against employees based on race, color, national origin, sex (including pregnancy), religion, disability, genetic information, or age (if the employee is at least 40 years old). State laws may prohibit employers from discriminating based on additional traits, such as marital status, sexual orientation, or national origin.

These laws prohibit discrimination in every aspect of employment, from hiring to firing. This includes workplace policies that regulate employee appearance, such as dress codes, grooming codes, and uniform requirements. "

J4nice · 06/06/2018 03:59
Sad
BlackShutters · 06/06/2018 04:21

Thanks, thebewilderness (love your postsSmile)

At first I thought she didn't mean an actual uniform but I watched her whole video again. She says her employer provides skirts, suits, ties and panty hose. Sure they do.

She'd have a case if she wanted to sue, wouldn't she? As a social justice warrior, she needs to step it up.

zen1 · 06/06/2018 04:22

I've watched some of AH's videos before. One I felt particularly galling was when she was whining about her "top surgery" consultation and in the same breath also mentioned that her wife carries one of the BRCA genes and so will likely have to have a preventative mastectomy in the future. Also, how can a surgeon conduct a whole consultation over the phone with a client he's never met and simply agree to perform the operation?

YouTube and Twitter are full of young transmen counting down the days till they get their "top surgery". Many of them have set up crowdfunding campaigns for the purpose - it really is concerning.

TransplantsArePlants · 06/06/2018 06:31

Can't help wondering if there's some kind of link between young women lining up to surgically remove or surgically enhance their breasts...

Terfulike · 06/06/2018 13:19

Transplants

A perceptive comment

LineysMozzieBitesHurt · 06/06/2018 17:19

Trans exists, I know this, because according to the definition of 'cis' I must be trans. Even though I'm a straight woman.

As for the Toronto Professor of Transstudies, fuck off mate. You're decades behind anthropologists in this field who have written for a long, long time about how cultural perceptions of biological reality are mediated through material culture and social practice. But you're just not as good as them.

Terfulike · 06/06/2018 23:31

Even better comment Linley!

AskAuntLydia · 07/06/2018 18:23

let's accuse her of not fighting sexism even though it wasn't the issue that was causing her the most problems.

But yes it was. Sexism was the issue that was causing her the problem. She was being required to wear a uniform which she found uncomfortable simply because of her sex.

Ash had a more pressing reason (her uniform caused her to experience dysphoria) than just sexism.

Just sexism? Just? Would you be so dismissive of "just" racism, or "just" homophobia or "just" anti-semitism?

But to get on someone's case because they live and work in the US and don't make a fuss about unfair work practices when they could literally be sacked for any reason at all is just blind to the real issues in that country.

And that's where you are really missing the point. Magdalen is not on her case for not making a fuss about unfair work practices; she's on her case for presenting her individualistic selfish solution to a workplace problem that affects a whole class of people as some kind of revolutionary act. It isn't.

I don't condemn the girl for using the leverage she has as a self-declared non binary person; meh. It's one way to get better conditions for yourself. But it is not something to make a self-congratulatory video about. She's negotiated a better deal for herself, while accepting the structural unfairness for everyone else. That's fine. But it doesn't merit a video and an injunction to everyone else to go out and negotiate the best deal for themselves alone. That's right wing individualistic and yes I'm gonna say it: bourgeois individualism - writ large. That is not progressive politics and that's what Magdalen is addressing.

TransplantsArePlants · 07/06/2018 18:30

AskAuntLydia

YY. Excellent post.

Dysphoria means 'feeling upset'. It's not some thing that only trans people experience.

I think this thread, and the thread about the gender binary bride have a lot in common. Women experiences misogyny - resents it, but think s only she ever experiences that kind of resentment. Only she ever feels uncomfortable about restrictions and assumptions placed on her based on gender stereotyping. Decides she's so different from other women she must actually be a man

thebewilderness · 07/06/2018 19:28

But to get on someone's case because they live and work in the US and don't make a fuss about unfair work practices when they could literally be sacked for any reason at all is just blind to the real issues in that country.

The belief that all states in the US are right to work states and all employment is "at will" so you can be fired for no reason at all means that you can be fired for any reason at all is incorrect.

Even where employees are not protected from unfair treatment by the state there are federal laws that protect them. The EEOC (Equal Employment Opportunity Commission) oversees workplace discrimination complaints such as the dress code discrimination that Ash complains of. The Flight Attendants fought long and hard to eliminate the sex specific uniform requirement.

SirVixofVixHall · 07/06/2018 19:34

Yes yes AuntLydia and Transplants

cistersofterfy · 07/06/2018 22:04

Dysphoria really does not mean feeling upset!!

It's a recognised psychological condition that can leave people feeling suicidal.

I don't know whether Ash has experienced that level of dysphoria but if we're going to get up in arms about the definition of woman then at least be equally precious about the meaning of dysphoria.

TransplantsArePlants · 07/06/2018 22:20

apologies - upset< depressed < suicidal. I was talking about a dictionary rather than a psychiatric definition. Women experience dysphoria too.

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