Posie

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Where the fuck has the Posie thread gone and why??

So posie has views which have got her no platformed by WPUK.

and now MN will not let us discuss her no platforming???

WTF is happening?? How scary is this shit?

The reason I can see given is that the WPUK decision was not to do with MN.

99% of threads are about people/organsitions/decisions not to do with MN. That explanation makes no sense.

Did Posie ask for it to go?

I thought she was getting mostly support on there.

I stated Pakistani men due to the tweet. I apologise for summarising both the potential islamaphobia (which posie says is not a thing) and potential xenophobia/racism together.

Though I never said posie was anything other than an ignorant tweeter.

I never said all Muslim women would agree or disagree I said WPUK had made an effort to include and work with Muslim women in the self id debate.

Including Posie as a speaker creates an environment which could be abrasive to inclusion. WPUK is a single goal orientated set up isn't it? Self id debate? It's logical the speakers need to be on the same page, Posie could pose a chink in the armour. It's sad. Like I said I think WPUK could have spoken to her behind the scenes and calling or inferring to her as a racist has achieved nothing.

Whatever has happened or been said Posie has had quite a unique experience (how many women have been interviewed for a trans tweet?!) and her voice is a decent contribution to the singular discussion of self id.

Why does everything have to be so black and white? This person is GOOD and we must all listen and cheer. This person is IGNORANT lets destroy them. I'm good at uses for a dishwasher other than washing dishes facts but that doesn't mean I can mend a broken dishwasher.

You say that you shouldn't bring a child into the world without a mother, but you also think that trans men are women.

I'll leave you to ponder that for a moment.

Posie, have you had any communication from them at all? Afaik they have been awol since the posted update?

They say they're men, they will tell that child that they are men. I hold women and motherhood is high esteem. Telling a child that there is no mother in existence is grotesque. Very handmaideny.

"The eugenics issue I have explained, I wasn't really seeing it as eugenics but more that if you choose not to be a woman you shouldn't\t bring a child into this world without the existence of a mother. Obviously I don't advocate forced sterilisation."

Saying that someone "should be sterlised" is advocating forced sterilisation. Those are the ordinary and natural meanings of those words. If that's not what you meant and you misspoke, you need to withdraw the words and apologise.

I hate this, I really do. Am i missing something? WPUK is a single issue group which (I thought) promotes free speech and uncensored debate. How is this decision compatible with that? I don’t agree with the minutiae of every single thing which Posie says but it’s possible to make almost anyone look like a dickhead by taking their tweets out of context. Shitlisting someone because you disagree with them about some things is SJW behaviour. And heavily implying that she’s racist is a dick move. Have lost a lot of respect for WPUK since reading this thread.

No. I received a brief twitter message yesterday, which I didn't read, and then they released this statement EVERYWHERE.

I do think the sterilisation tweet was a poor choice of words but that’s ostensibly not why she’s been deplatformed

I do not, EVER, withdraw words. What is the point of free speech and caring about everyone having the right to say the wrong thing if I don't afford myself the same right? I didn't misspeak, at that instant I said what I wanted to. I say lots, sometimes it won't be nice and mostly it will, but I am not apologising.

Separate from the issue of the public statement being...less than complimentary then, they've also been shit at actually communicating with you. I'd have been surprised, up until this mornings crap.

@therealposieparker Telling a child that there is no mother in existence is grotesque.

Lots of families don't have children being raised by their biological mother. Are they also 'grotesque'?

Unprofessional of WPUK to not appropriately communicate with you Posie before they sent out a mass statement.

'Woman is not a look. It is not a feeling. It is not an identity.'

Latest tweet from Ruth Serwotka

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I could also add

Man is not a look. It's not a feeling. It's not an identity.

donquixotedelamancha Wed 30-May-18 15:33:16
@therealposieparker Telling a child that there is no mother in existence is grotesque.

Lots of families don't have children being raised by their biological mother. Are they also 'grotesque'?

You do realise what I asserted and what you attributed that to are different things, right?

@therealposieparker You do realise what I asserted and what you attributed that to are different things, right?

No. I'm not clear on the distinction, hence why I asked you to clarify- I made no assertion.

There's a difference between a child having a mother who is dead or absent and having a mother who is present but denies being a woman.

I'm sorry to offend about the shut-in malady but she said it at the time as an excuse and I found it sexist. She was famous for something so she was asked to speak. I might have learned something instead of having an apologist tell me I should lean in on pronouns. It cost me personally to attend the meeting. The other speakers were excellent.

I was beaten to it but I'll stick this up anyway.

If the mother isn't in the child's life, it's not harmful to the child as such (so long is their needs are met). If the mother is actually present but is denying that they are the child's mother, this is lying to the child and is not good for them.

Its like star wars spin off "don't listen to those people who say I am your mother because your mother doesn't exist, at all, ever and Luke I am your father"

There's a difference between a child having a mother who is dead or absent and having a mother who is present but denies being a woman.

Obviously; indeed I share the concern that someone who defines themselves as a man but wants to be a mother has a very confused outlook.

That said, I'm dubious about sweeping statements labelling people as grotesque. It's broad enough I was wondering whether Posie also applied it to other types of family.

so how are these transmen to be sterilised posie if you aren't advocating forced sterilisation?

What exactly do you think should happen?

She’s a respected academic, I believe that’s why she was asked to speak? Have a look at her blog, she’s definitely not an apologist - just walking a fine line like many of us!

I thought all the speakers were excellent, sad to see they’ve not treated Posie with much respect. Then again I do think they are trying to maintain that squeaky clean image which may eventually lead to open debate.

Posie didn't say Tiw should be forced to be sterilised did she.

Her statement was short and unqualified.

She might have meant by force but she's told us that's not what she thinks.

She might also have meant:
If you're going to make such a fuss about insisting you're a man you should get sterilised.
Or
If you're so triggered by female biology you should get sterilised.

It's a statement open to interpretation. Only Posie, or people prepared to listen to her explanation, can interpret it.

Oh and I agree bringing up a child to believe their mother is a man and no woman was involved in their creation is grotesque. For the individual child and all women.

Well, I don't go in for this "hatespeech" crap but I think it's a really horrible thing to say.