Posie

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Where the fuck has the Posie thread gone and why??

So posie has views which have got her no platformed by WPUK.

and now MN will not let us discuss her no platforming???

WTF is happening?? How scary is this shit?

The reason I can see given is that the WPUK decision was not to do with MN.

99% of threads are about people/organsitions/decisions not to do with MN. That explanation makes no sense.

Did Posie ask for it to go?

I thought she was getting mostly support on there.

I'm rather sure I didn't click hide, but it was there on my hidden threads. Weird, or just fat fingers?

The statement is defamatory.

I mean let's have the conversation about it now, not run like fuck away and pretend it never happened.

Poise isn’t someone who has come from nowhere, or only ever spoken about GRA/Trans issues. They will have known about any views on young girls wearing the hijab way, way before now. So that would be their choice not to ask her to speak at this event if they really did think those views went further and she was truly racist. I don’t think for one minute they really think that.
Someone has stepped in after the TIF tweet and said that takes criticising trans ideology too far. To state that would lead to them getting flak about criticising TIMs, so the easiest way for them is to have a root through everything else she’s said and use that.

I did say the OP was defamatory, perhaps it was deleted on my account.

I hope so Posie

I've vociferously disagreed with the Catholic church's view on 'fallen women' in Ireland, especially with regard to enforced pregnancies, trafficking of babies and institutionalisation of women.

Am I to be no platformed for my racist and religious views - both of which do have traction, even though I was baptised and confirmed a Catholic and was born in Northern Ireland (and am Irish by dent of the Good Friday agreement).

Elendon, I said the same about baptism and the "original sin" on thread v1.0

Exactly, but there were 'mother's homes' in England too and the stigma of single motherhood remains in England to this day! A single father is, of course, hailed and supported.

I do not take offence at people criticising the practices of the Irish Catholic Church but I do take offence when they say the Irish people allowed it to happen - I find that statement racist.

I've reported it as defamatory on the other thread

Posie

If the statement is defamatory will you be insisting it is withdrawn from the thread advertising the Truro meeting where it has now been posted?

Only just heard about this. Bit sad that Posy wont be in Truro.

These were the tweets (and other like them) that got her removed I believe.

twitter.com/scum_hag/status/1001769768402194432

The tweet about sterilizing trans-identified females was today. That was certainly a wtf moment for me, because that's the exact opposite reason I got involved in the fight against the transgender movement.

Can I just make it 100% crystal clear that any time I have shared the statement (here and elsewhere), it is not at all because I agree with it, it's because I'm gobsmacked at the sheer hypocrisy of WP no-platform if a feminist - doing so publically and with a slight hint at defamation (probably vague enough references to be legally okay?)

Tweets from earlier this year and 2014? Seriously? Like I said, this was not news to WPUK yet still they asked her to speak.
Why would they do that and so publically rescind it today? Tall Poppy Syndrome or something?

I'm always available to be challenged on my views. They are pretty solid at the time of expressing them but I am always open to listening.,

Do I think trans men should be sterilised? No. Was I responding to a thread about cis privilege of abortion and therefore a little cross? yes.

What a mess. Especially with GC women seeming to respond tribally. The TRAs must be hugging themselves with glee.

Anyone with eyes - and without an agenda - can see that you don't want forced sterilisation, posie; you have been quite clear on the subject.
Ask posie's mate Susie, she'll back me up

That twitter thread of Jean's is scary - and not because of Jean.

We really are now at the stage where people are being publicly denounced for what they say - for opinion. We'll be stood on public streets with signs around our necks this time next year.

I disagree with the post about sterilisation.

However, I’d prefer the right to stand up at a Q&A and put my point across, have the person who wrote it explain their view, me explain mine and we go from there. Even if where we go from there is an argument that ends with us still disagreeing.

I dont want that person to be silenced, I want open discussion, because it’s only by open discussion, thrashing out arguments, disagreeing, talking that we are able to explore and eventually make our own position.

I agree with little girls and being seen as sexual beings. That’s not ok imho.

So I can agree with one thing, disagree with another, challenge the bits I don’t agree with and listen to the response. Then formulate my own opinion.

If we can’t do that, we are fucked, quite honestly.

Just to elaborate - this is what I read from posie's tweets - she didn't like seeing girls as young as 7 wearing a hijab.

She thinks pregnancy is a womanly thing.

I understand WPUK's position. I think. They want to engage the Muslim community in their discussions about retaining single sex provisions. This is an important group who may have very relevant views. We need this group to speak for themselves and not put words into their mouths. Posie has expressed some views, which are being discussed and probably circulated by TRAs, which are likely to put the Muslim community off side and potentially distract away from WPUKs key focus. As such they have decided it is best if she doesn't speak.

I do agree their statement was poorly worded.

In December 2015, the feminist and LGBTQ societies in Goldsmith University in London allied with the college’s fundamentalist Islamic society, against the ex-Muslim human rights campaigner, Maryam Namazie. Namazie is an opponent of the sort of discrimination that is now unacceptable in Christianity but somehow fine in Islam

www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/why-is-feminism-so-quiet-about-muslim-women-who-refuse-to-wear-the-hijab-1.3189620

You can watch it in this link:

www.independent.co.uk/student/news/muslim-students-from-goldsmiths-university-s-islamic-society-heckle-and-aggressively-interrupt-a6760306.html

I'm not linking to YouTube because I find the comments hateful.

However, I’d prefer the right to stand up at a Q&A and put my point across, have the person who wrote it explain their view, me explain mine and we go from there. Even if where we go from there is an argument that ends with us still disagreeing.

I dont want that person to be silenced, I want open discussion, because it’s only by open discussion, thrashing out arguments, disagreeing, talking that we are able to explore and eventually make our own position

This is how I see it. If you are going to have open discussion, some ideas are going to come out incompletely formed and off-key and require considered respectful debate and discussion to iron out. I can see that if transactivists get hold of it and retweet their own highlights it gets twisted and looks bad. But no ideas come out fully formed and presentable to a wide public unless you do it all in secret and come out with a fait accompli which is what the trans activists have been doing. Then if you shut people down and brand them publically as a "---ist", you are just doing the same thing as the people who are trying to get this legislation through under the radar with #nodebate.

There are more diplomatic ways.