Posie

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Where the fuck has the Posie thread gone and why??

So posie has views which have got her no platformed by WPUK.

and now MN will not let us discuss her no platforming???

WTF is happening?? How scary is this shit?

The reason I can see given is that the WPUK decision was not to do with MN.

99% of threads are about people/organsitions/decisions not to do with MN. That explanation makes no sense.

Did Posie ask for it to go?

I thought she was getting mostly support on there.

I'm keeping an open mind DJLippy

Maybe she could have What but she didnt. I dont feel she deserved to be no pkatformed for it.

You can speak because we agree with you on everything.
You cannot speak because you said something once and we dont agree with it.

You dont educate people or change peoples stances and pov by silencing others.

This is all new to me. I had a look and this tweet is all over twitter:

twitter.com/joss_prior/status/1001586977106427904

That is a really really dumb thing to tweet. Once something like that has gone up there's no point arguing about "context".

What was the boss prior tweet? I’m blocked.

Thing is anything can be quoted out of context on Twitter

What have we become if we write someone off for saying something controversial?

Challenge it, yes. Posie has put her head above the parapet a great deal for those of us who cannot do the same.
Are we a society with no resilience? Can we not debate difficult topics or deal with views which make us uncomfortable?

I do think the racist accusation is unfair - it's like the transphobe label. I have never seen Posie post anything remotely racist. It would be good to have some context.

Although, with the far right kicking off about free speech issues it could do wonders for her public profile. Whilst it could bring the issue to a wider audience do we really need Tommy Robinson jumping on the GC bandwagon?

But that wasn't the reason for the ban on her speaking nauticant

I have a theory about what happened but I'm not going to say it on here.

"I have a theory about what happened but I'm not going to say it on here"

Come on elendon, leaving something hanging like that is just cruel

@Elendon I thought @CosmicCanary did a pretty good job of it.

Can we not debate difficult topics or deal with views which make us uncomfortable?

It seems that pluralism is no longer acceptable for fear of offending anyone.

I can't discuss it because I've no idea what the tweet was.

The statement was regarding Parker's 'views' on 'race and religion'.

One could ask: Was a private conversation reported?

They’ve picked up on something tweeted about hijab for young girls and twisted it. It’s not about that at all, is it? It’s the tweet about sterilisation that’s made them back off. Nasty, grubby behaviour by WPUK.There was no need to say anything beyond ‘PP will no longer be attending this event’ but for their own reasons they have decided to publically brand her as racist.

Elendon. I think it's regarding my views on Islam and the way it treats women. I don't think little girls should be wearing hijabs to school, apparently that's racist.

I personally would prefer to have a speaker attend a meeting and then be able to challenge any views they hold in person via open Q&A.

There are not many people in the world I’ve agreed with every single thing they’ve said, ever.

I think there are issues with patriarchal religion and I think these do need to be discussed. It’s very important to distinguish between criticising an ideology and abusing, disadvantaging or inciting hatred towards a person or group of people.

We cannot have a situation in the Uk where we cannot criticise religion. That stance is not incompatible with support for women who are members of those religions. That distinction is important.

One can criticise a religion for restrictions imposed on women and still say that one is unhappy that upcoming GRA changes will disadvantage women who follow that religion. We have to distinguish between personal attack and critique of an ideology.

@therealpoaieparker - the whole statement has been put in the Truro thread.

You’re not the first woman they’ve thrown under the bus like this, but boy have they done it in the most public way possible.

I do wonder if saucery is on to something though, and it's the TIF tweet that's the problem, but for some reason they couldn't say that...?

Feminist not fond of hijabs for young girls is surely not that controversial?

I don't think little girls should be wearing hijabs either. I don't think little girls need to be 'modest' in that way. To say they do, implies that they are sexual or sexual objects of interest.

Intriguing that what gets a woman no-platformed is the belief that primary school girls aren't sexual beings.

I see, thanks Posie.

So you disagree with an aspect of Muslim practice. This isn't racist though.

It's a bit like conflating gender with sex.

I didn’t ask for any thread deletions.

As far as I'm concerned WUkip do some really great work, they are very organised and add a lot of value to this side of the argument. However what they've done by issuing this statement has far more damage to this side than my views on the imposed religious adherence of women.

Is this thread hiding for anyone else?

It all smells a bit fishy.

Either debate is wanted or it isn't.

WPUK are going to make people with controversial views nervous - which includes those with a religious background.

Having someone like Posie who can be blunt and dgaf actually opens up the debate because saying the 'unsayable' is officially allowed and people with more of a mild manner will feel emboldened.

Ah well - it is not the end of the world and WPUK do seem to take more of a trans appeasing position than I feel is necessary, but with We Need To Talk at least there is somewhere people can be blunt.

We have lots of irons in the fire and Posie isn't 'on message' with WPUKs 'brand' - there are other spaces.

But I think MN deleting is the really fishy thing though wtf is going on there?

I agree with you Posie. Is it inept PR or something more malign.

"I personally would prefer to have a speaker attend a meeting and then be able to challenge any views they hold in person via open Q&A."

Totally agree Babel

We are either for free speech, or we are not. That's as nuts as the TRA no platforming. They are loving this.

Btw, I also think that the sterlisation post was seriously fucking stupid regardless of the context it was posted in. But fgs have the conversation

God forbid an individual have a different opinion on something. This is why I cant get on with identity politics. To defame Posie in the most public way is shameful. I'm afraid WPUK have lost my support.