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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Dare to hope

146 replies

Imnobody4 · 23/05/2018 19:12

Most positive thing I've seen for a very long time.

www.politicshome.com/news/uk/home-affairs/law/house/house-magazine/95277/gavin-shuker-organised-sexual-exploitation

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goprawn · 23/05/2018 23:34

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AngryAttackKittens · 23/05/2018 23:41

That's nice, dear. I've talked to more than one woman who's worked in the sex industry.

I will now summarize goprawn's points for anyone who can't be arsed reading them.

goprawn · 23/05/2018 23:42

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TerfAndSerf · 23/05/2018 23:42

goprawn has copied and pasted from a Guardian article from 2009.

A little out of date, there fella.

FermatsTheorem · 23/05/2018 23:44

AAK Grin

ToeToToe · 23/05/2018 23:46

Love the donkey Grin

Where did goprawn swim in from? He's like the puntertypes from the days of yore who used to argue that women's bodies should be at the disposal of men wanting to buy them. I remember them well.

Sweden's prostitution laws are a success. Women's rights/equality are the cornerstone of the legislation - and trafficking to Sweden is at an all time low, due to it not being worth the while of the traffickers bringing women into a country where buying sex is illegal.

I fully support the Nordic model and Gavin Shuker.

AngryAttackKittens · 23/05/2018 23:47

And the collective response of Mumsnet seems to be...

(make sure to watch to the very end, you can scroll till about 1:40)

Waddlelikeapenguin · 23/05/2018 23:52

Lass yes I'm hoping the SNP move on that too Smile

The only time I have ever phoned 999 was as a student because my flatmate & I could hear a prostitute being attacked/raped in the back lane Sad
Abuse should never be legalised, money changing hands doesnt make it less abusive or more consensual.

ToeToToe · 23/05/2018 23:53

Legalising prostitution positively rewards trafficking.

Stands to reason.

When Germany legalised prostitution, and got those superbrothels in, demand for prostitutes outstripped supply. Not enough German women wanted to do it. Guess what happened? The traffickers moved in on the sly.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 23/05/2018 23:55

AAK Grin

ToeToToe · 23/05/2018 23:56

What other facts can I remember from my days of posting stuff on the MN prostitution threads?

Oh yeah - Amnesty International are misogynistic cunts.

And - the WHO recommendations were based on consultation with 2 groups from the the West Coast of the USA - both sex work umbrella groups (AKA pimps) It's referenced in their documentation.

zurichgnome · 24/05/2018 12:33

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AssassinatedBeauty · 24/05/2018 13:09

@zurichgnome that 0.8% figure doesn't come from that 2011 research you quote but from this research in 2016:

"Study on the gender dimension of trafficking in human beings’, European Commission, European Union, 2016."

(It's in endnote 69 of the Behind Closed Doors report).

goprawn · 24/05/2018 13:54

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IJustHadToNameChange · 24/05/2018 14:06

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5766477/Sisters-ran-two-brothels-enslaved-Romanian-woman.html

Prostitutes exist and they advertise.

Well spotted.....😑

goprawn · 24/05/2018 14:56

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LassWiADelicateAir · 24/05/2018 15:08

And what a happy little (non gender specific) bunny that makes you.

It has been 2 millennia and a bit since the 10 Commandments were written- people are still killing, stealing and comitting perjury but we haven't given up on them being crimes.

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/05/2018 15:10

The UK's biggest ever investigation of sex trafficking failed to find a single person who had forced anybody into prostitution in spite of hundreds of raids on sex workers in a six-month campaign by government departments, specialist agencies and every police force in the country.

Well they were clearly doing a piss poor job. I could walk out of my house right now and find two or three women I know that are forced to prostitute. They'd never tell a SW or Police, they 'love' them and are certainly dependent on them.

But then I've worked in homelessness for years and know more workers than you've had hot dinners. I've seen them injecting heroin into their necks, seen then crying and ashamed, seen them wishing they didn't have to go out but they still go. And I've known one that died from this. Spoken to her sister.

I've seen the kind of men who buy their bodies, read the 'bad dates' file with story after story of men who beat, rob or rape them. Seen them trawling around late at night looking for young, addicted, desperate women. And yes, I would criminalise those men. But not the women who are prostituting..

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 24/05/2018 15:17

Prostitutes exist and they advertise, and almost 20 years of the Nordic model in Sweden hasn't stopped that

You really don't get it do you. The Nordic model isn't about controlling what prostituted women do. It's about controlling the behaviour of pimps and punters, reducing demand and shifting the balance of power in the direction of the women. The evidence suggests that it succeeds in these aims.

Your adverts, if anything, suggest that the women haven't been 'driven underground' and put at additional risk as the pro-rape lobby keeps insisting is inevitable under the Nordic model. It's all good.

smithsinarazz · 24/05/2018 15:27

@goprawn - Haha! Douglas Fox! I have the misfortune to know his partner slightly. A greater pair of knobends never existed. As well as rooting for pimping, DF thinks that climate change is a myth. They run a facebook group campaigning against cyclists from which they ban anyone who disagrees with them. Utter pair of wankers.

goprawn · 24/05/2018 15:28

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