Strong words from feminists unhappy with trans exclusionary ideology..

[crispbuttyfan]

freedomnews.org.uk/its-spelt-sisterhood-not-cis-terhood-statement/

a little taster of the content, not my words....

"We are disgusted by the TERF techniques of bullying trans people and their friends and comrades. TERFs stand against a vulnerable minority by refusing their right to exist, using their dead names, doxxing them, smearing them online and in the press and waging a fear campaign, all whilst accusing trans women of being a possible legal and physical threat to cis women. These techniques are not consistent with their announced aim of getting legislation refused by parliament and belie the TERFs real agenda of intolerance.

We are sick and tired of TERF alarmism. There is no evidence that trans women are in any way a threat to cis women. To the contrary, there is a lot of evidence that TERFs feed the prejudice against trans women. The countries which introduced their own versions of GRA are not experiencing the problems the TERFs associate with allowing trans people to determine their own gender."

PencilsInSpace
Here is Maria's account. I was there and her account matches what I saw.

And here are a few extracts from a slightly more independent report in the Evening Standard:
The row broke out when Ms Maclachlan, 61, began filming protesters on her hand-held camera
Ms Maclachlan, who blogs and tweets about gender issues, admitted grabbing hold of Wolf's girlfriend and kicking her,
"I conclude all three incidents in which there was physical contact did amount to assault," he [the Judge] said. (But only the transwoman was charged. Not discrimination. Not at all. No. How very dare you suggest such a thing!)
Judge Grant refused to grant Ms Maclachlan any compensation, saying: "Compensation would not be appropriate, particularly due to the unhelpful way in which the victim was present [at the protest] and the way she was filming.
"It was foolish of her [MacLachlan] to post that tweet in the way that she did.
"It was notable that when I asked Ms Maclachlan to refer to Ms Wolf as 'she', she did so with bad grace - having asked her to do so she continued to refer to Ms Wolf as 'he' and 'him'". Refused even to obey the instructions of the Judge in court!

And that's the biggest crime in the eyes of TRA - women not obeying men.

Let's raise a glass to all the disobedient women, shall we?

A toast!

Pours large realises it's only lunchtime so pours a drop back into the bottle. Cheers

. To Maria.

How DARE she post a tweet?!
How DARE she film a public protest!
How DARE she not use incorrect pronouns for the lovelybsix foot two male who punched her?!

who does she think she is?

I’m afraid Wolf needs a ‘Hans.... are we the baddies..?’ Moment. Because punching women to the floor is not a very nice thing to do is it?

Six foot two man punched woman to floor. Was convicted. Now has criminal record.

Fucking YAY. I'll drink to that!

And more especially for Maria

I'll drink to Maria !

I'll drink to all non-compliant women !

I'll drink to every woman who recognises violent misogyny when she sees it !

Bowlofbabelfish
In court, a witness was forced to use pronouns she didn’t want to. That creates a cognitive load which disadvantages the witness.
She wasn't "forced to" do anything. She chose to ignore the instructions from the judge. Frankly, I'm surprised she wasn't sent down to the cells for contempt.

The framing of the violence as female on female also serves to reduce the ‘severity’ of it in the minds of the court. Picture in your head what comes to mind when you are told ‘man hit woman’ and then contrast with what comes into your head when it’s ‘woman hit woman.’
Now picture in your mind the fact that MacLachlan admitted kicking Wolf's partner. And bear in mind that she was so confident in her immunity from prosecution that she was happy to admit to carrying out an assault. Not quite the innocent little old lady she is being portrayed as. And operating TWO transphobic websites! Isn't one enough for her hatred?

Late back to the discussion.

Yeah. DARVO.

Nope, Damn, there's nothing you can say that will make a young 6ft2 male punching a small 61 year old female OK. By all means keep making excuses though, I'm sure it's educational for the lurkers.

Wolf was found guilty. If they had wanted to peruse a case against MM they could have. Why didn’t they?

There is no website content associated with MM that even slightly justifies her being physically assaulted. Are you saying that running a website, posting on a website within the bounds of the law is justification for assault and physical harm?

Keep writing - it makes you look like one of those men who says ‘look what you made me do.’ ‘You made me do this.’

Just let Damn keep on talking. I'm fairly new to these boards after longing for a long time. All they are doing is reinforcing my opinion and not in the way Damn hopes.

It's extremely disturbing to see people characterising women trying to defend ourselves from male violence as physical assaulting them. We have a right to defend ourselves.

As always agree with everything you have said Babel, and yup that poster is just another for my ignore bin, apologism for male violence is an absolute line for me....

Lurking argh that should be lurking.

See what apologists for violence against women make me do. I post without proof reading (rather than smacking people in the face)

@BlooperReel thank you for your list at Thu 24-May-18 11:33:39. Like everyone else I know this is not all trans women, but these instances of violence and abuse need addressing. Pretending that there is never a problem is not an option.

@MIdgebabe, re your post at Thu 24-May-18 11:59:41. I am so sorry for your experiences and I am so sorry that male-bodied people in changing spaces would have such a negative affect on you and many others. Knowing this, why are trans activists campaigning to join our spaces and not campaigning for safe unisex individually enclosed cubicals for changing etc as well as sex-segregated space?

@crispbuttyfan you do not need to answer this, and if you already have, I apologize. But in linking to that letter are you agreeing with this ....

"We will never accept snitching to the police after an event, when the personal risk is over, to be a valid form of resistance."

Is telling the crime committed against a person wrong?

"What’s more, while punching people is almost never a good thing, what needs to be pointed out here is that claims this was an example of male on female violence are unfounded and bigoted."

It was a male who punched the woman, wasn't it?

"... “carceral feminism” is indeed correct." " Does this mean using the police services is wrong?

Thanks for posting, I may disagree strongly but it is good to debate.

I've watched the video quite carefully.

Tara (who you need to remember had tweeted "when/where is this happening? I wanna fuk up some terfs" earlier that day) first tries to knock the camera out of Maria's hand, but it appears to be on a strap of some sort and doesn't fall.

Another person (Tara's girlfriend?) then lunges and actually takes the camera. There is a scuffle involving the two of them and several other people. Maria grabs the other person by the back of their coat, and they throw the camera to the floor. You can hear the crack as it hits and bounces. Maria grabs the person who threw her camera and holds them around the waist, from behind. The person who has just committed theft and criminal damage and destroyed her property. The person struggles, and kicks backwards at Maria. Maria kicks back. It's at this point that Tara and one other person rush in and start punching.

Luckily for Maria she went down quite quickly so was shaken but not badly hurt.

Tara was subsequently convicted of assault, quite rightly. I would imagine that during the investigation of said assault many statements and videos were examined pretty carefully by the police and the CPS. Maria wasn't charged with anything.

Before her court appearance Tara also threatened a female trade union worker who was on her own picket line, for attending a WPUK meeting. Tara is not a member of the union involved, nor does she work for the organisation they were picketing. There was no reason at all for her to be there.

Tara Wood is a violent thug yet nobody apologises for her, or tries to rein her in. Instead we see weak attempts to disguise her violence by saying she was "provoked". Nope. Not buying that.

But with people like here being seen as the face of transactivism are you really surprised that there are so many scare stories about the trans bogeywomen starting to spread and being believed? I don't, in general, have a major issue with the toilet/changing room thing (I haven't actually been in a public changing room for about 20 years, there I go womaning wrong again....) but I wouldn't want to share any space where I was in the least bit vulnerable with Tara.

Now picture in your mind the fact that MacLachlan admitted kicking Wolf's partner

Whilst that person was in the middle of stealing and destroying her camera! It's rather different defending yourself against someone slapping at a camera attached to your wrist, and being the person that's going up to someone and trying to knock the camera out of their hand no?

A bit disingenuous to conflate the two?

I have a theory that many TRA don't care if people believe that TIM are women or not. They like the power of making women say it, or be punished when we refuse.

The only reason many TRA are on FWR is to try to get women's posts deleted or censored for non compliance. It's a power trip. It's the same with protesting at women's meetings - they are angry when they can't control what women talk about.

We will never accept snitching to the police after an event, when the personal risk is over, to be a valid form of resistance.

This is the most amazing bare-faced cheek, considering these people called the police on Maria's friends because they thought they might come into the same pub as them after the court case!

I just wasted part of my lunch hour reading that drivel and then this thread of GF.

I read it because I was intrigued as to why Tara Wolf woulf be a signatory. Surely any reasonable pressure group would black list someone after a conviction for a violent assault like that? Why were they letting her on there?

So I read. I was gobsmacked at the sheer lack of grip on reality. Then I got to the lengthy part about why TW was the real victim and the person who got punched by TW is part of a fascist government conspiracy to force people like TW to punch middle aged ladies to the ground to make them look bad.

And then it got worse: We will never accept snitching to the police after an event, when the personal risk is over, to be a valid form of resistance. What’s more, while punching people is almost never a good thing ...

In the end I eye rolled and assumed TW wrote the article. Wah wah wah. I punched someone and was convicted but they deserved it and they made me do it and they shouldn't have snitched anyway.

That said, I am very glad I read the article. The more widely it is sharwd the better. The more we writr about it here the better. People will search for details, land here, start to discover what really happened at Speaker's Corner and then see what all those signatories really stand for.

Italiangreyhound

I actually agree that some of the wording of the event at hyde park is unnecessary and unhelpful...... however it is less ridiculous than the amount of people on these boards that hold the trans community of around 500,000 responsible for the actions of Tara

Crisp, maybe if any of those 500000 had said "whoa, not in my name" instead of "oh she was provoked by that vicious filming, and just turned up on that picket line by accident" there might be more sympathy and less suspicion?